Rev. Corbie Mitleid is a tarot master, psychic medium, expert on past lives, and intuitive counselor. For over 50 years she has helped people along their journeys of soul searching. She is the author of several books on the subject, host of her own podcast The Psychic Yellow Brick Road, and offers free readings and advice via her TikTok channel The No Bullshit Psychic.
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Chapters
00:00 Start
6:27 Understanding Consciousness
11:29 The Impact of 9/11
24:03 The Art of Mediumship
33:25 Ethical Considerations in Psychic Work
47:44 Conversations About Beliefs
53:22 The Honor of Being a Psychic
1:00:41 Valuing Artistic Work
1:49:40 Truth Telling and Ego
2:01:51 Challenges of Being a Psychic
2:17:01 The Age of Aquarius and Indigo Children
Transcript
Music:
[0:00] Music
Corbie:
[0:32] When I was nine years old, I read a book called The Witch Family. And instead of thinking, ooh, that's scary or ha, ha, ha, I thought, answer point is, I knew there was magic in the world, so I wanted to go find it. Fast forward to 1973 when I was a senior in high school. That's the year that Live and Let Die came out with Jane Seymour as Solitaire, the card reader. And I was working at Spencer Gifts part-time, and they had the James Bond 007 tarot deck, and I bought it. because we were all hippies then we had our elephant bell bottoms but the head must be spencer's gifts yes then he did holy
Tyler:
[1:07] Cow i thought that was a 90s kids thing.
Corbie:
[1:10] No no no no it's been around since like the 60s drawing amazing for 20 years i read for friends making sure that my ego was out of the way and i could be a clear channel all of a sudden in the early 90s i found I could do hands-on healing and talk to dead people with no training. That's when the universe handed me my draft notice and said, hello, you're working for us. So I did it part-time while I did other things. Actress, author, inspirational speaker, video producer, legal assistant, writer for the graphic novel series ElfQuest, executive recruiter, but always the psychic on the side. 9-11, as we watched the towers burn, I turned to my husband and I said, I think that I need to do the psychic work full-time. People need to know their other answers out there. He said, I believe in you. Go do it. Since then, six days a week, 14 hours a day, read about 1,000 people a year, and I get to get up in the morning. I don't have to get up in the morning. That's the whole key.
Tyler:
[2:10] It's a really, really interesting subject to me. So, a bit of background. I was in the military for a while, like six years. Okay. one of the things that consistently stood out to me was that we, You know, we're not allowed to say anything like we believe in metaphysical, strange things that we can't prove. You know, anything that's immaterial, whatever. So in the meteorology department, no matter what you thought, no matter what your intuition told you, you had to, quote, back it up with science, right? And I'm a big fan of science. I like science. Don't get me wrong. I'm pretty good at it, if I do say so myself.
Tyler:
[2:55] However, I remember if you go back and listen to the Art Bell show during 9-11 happening and a remote viewer calls into the station and says, Oh, well, we already figured out that this order came from a guy in a bunker outside of Kabul, Afghanistan. But it's going to take a while before the military says that. Because they don't want to say we heard it from a remote viewer. They want to say we got it from intel we got it from like real intel because it's good i think it's good to have both right like if you have something realistic to back up your your psychic whatever it is your your esp anything like that corroborates it but then i was reading recently, and i i never really thought about this because i wasn't around at the time but it wasn't really until like the victorian era and then into the turn of the 20th century that it became like a requirement like science became the what would you say like new plus ultra of you have to you have to back everything up you think with science in order for it to be taken seriously you know so.
Tyler:
[4:01] But nowadays, what I'm dealing with a lot when I talk about these things, astrology, hermetic philosophy, psychics, all this stuff, there's this requirement where we have to say, and the science backs it up because of this, this, and that. And same thing with talking to dead people, ghosts, whatever. I'm like, okay, why do I need to prove to you using material science something that is not a material science? Like it exists outside of these parameters, and you're telling me I need to prove it to you. I need to back it up. With something that cannot possibly prove it based on its own rules. You're like, you're asking me to tell you the length of my entire house with a ruler. Doesn't work. So anyway, I'm just trying to be open-minded and explore all of these subjects.
Tyler:
[4:54] So like, you know, recently it's...
Corbie:
[4:55] Open mind is frankly what a lot of America is lacking at this point. So, good on you, fella.
Tyler:
[5:03] I was talking to one of the best video game designers of all time. And, you know, he's older now. His name's Cliff Blazitzki. And he can kind of say whatever the fuck he wants and doesn't care what anyone says. And he's like, you know what? I think that we live in a simulation. And I think if anybody's qualified to say what a simulation looks like, it's probably me. Because I made a bunch of them. And I kind of have an idea of how that works. And the more you look at real life, it does seem like we kind of live in... He's not necessarily saying we live in a computer, but it's like the reality that we're interfacing with is not the totality of reality. I didn't mean to rhyme, but...
Corbie:
[5:45] No, no, no. It makes sense to me. Look, if, as we say, the... The being is something beyond the body, the meat coat. Why could this not be a simulation? If supposedly we all have thought forms and that creates the idea of Santa Claus or a tree or whatever, his explanation makes sense. Makes sense.
Tyler:
[6:21] Yeah, if we believe that our soul is inhabiting a human avatar or something like that. and i know i.
Corbie:
[6:27] Always explain this to people i say go back to mib the guy flips the button by the ear and you see the little dude inside that's us sure that's your soul running things
Tyler:
[6:39] Yeah it's it seems to be that way like i when i was learning how to do meditation one of the first like revelatory thoughts that i had was like oh my god like my consciousness isn't right behind my head I'm not like, I'm not the little dude piloting this ship. Consciousness is bigger than this right here. It's not because I think, yeah, people see things like that or like that Eddie Murphy movie, Meet Dave. And we do sort of think about the self as if it's something sitting behind our eyes, looking out at the world, piloting this ship through space. But consciousness doesn't appear to work that way and the more we look at things like telepathy like remote viewing and stuff like that it's just kind of clear if we accept those things as true which i do but i'm sure not everybody's ready for that then obviously consciousness cannot be localized it may be localized somewhere else but it's not localized in what we call ourselves.
Corbie:
[7:42] I agree but most people cannot deal with that it's like they said i don't want to come back well you're not gonna you know and when somebody who is uber-cretion says the bible says we're only here once i go and you're absolutely right and what i do is i use a very simple audiovisual aid and that's the hand the palm is our entire soul our entire consciousness it doesn't fit in these little bitty bodies so a thread of it comes down operates the body in whatever manner and then when the body is dead it goes back up and i explain when people can't understand that how is that different i say all right let's take the actor matt smith sure that was the 11th doctor he was my doctor when he hung up the fez and the bow tie he became prince philip on the first two seasons of the crown. And when he hung up the naval uniform, now he's some whack job on House of the Dragon. The Doctor, the Prince, and the whack job don't know each other completely different, but all brought to life by Matt Smith. Incarnation, incarnation, incarnation, soul. That they see
Corbie:
[8:52] That they see. There are an awful lot of people. I have one dear friend who is probably the best medical intuitive in the U.S., and she and I were both in Robert Schwartz's books on pre-birth planning and life between lives. She is the guru on the mountain talker. I talk to the rookies because, look, I'm 70. I am not going to be here for another bunch of decades. You have to start raising the next generation. You have to give them the bite-sized stuff so that then they can feel comfortable enough exploring. That's how it works. And somebody has to be a way shower. Think about it. Any game you know, the hero goes along and meets somebody in the woods in a little hut who gives them a magic hubcap, and then they go on and use the hubcap, and you never hear about the person in the woods again. But that's all right. They were the way shower. They're the one who got them what they needed. That's kind of how I see me.
Tyler:
[9:54] I was having a really interesting conversation with a guy named dr herman s jr he's like a doctor of metaphysics and you know i'm i'm learning a little bit you know from different people different backgrounds different ideas and stuff and one of the things that like stood out to me is that you talk about that guru on the mountaintop like once you're at that level of thinking in those terms it's really hard i think to ground yourself back into like just regular people world and you know he was rightfully so he's like most people are just fucking idiots man like they're never gonna get it and there's nothing i can do about it and i was like hey man all right i get it i get it i'm with you but like isn't it kind of like the responsibility of a guy like you to to help even if it's just like plant the seed of understanding in that kind of person like for every 98 people who are just going to be an you know an npc and go through life and not learn a damn lesson and just go around there might be like one or two people that heard a sentence a word you said and go on a journey based on just that like they start with because in his own story he was like yeah i really started thinking about metaphysics when i was watching the price is right and i had this like kind of revelatory i was like okay yes so.
Tyler:
[11:13] Something you say in this conversation might be that price is right moment for some kid out there and it might take them 30 years before it clicks but that happened to me for sure i was a complete total materialist until saturn came
Tyler:
[11:26] back around for me really then i was like oh shit.
Corbie:
[11:30] Saturn returns kick
Tyler:
[11:31] Butt yeah it kicked my ass for sure um but i came out on the other side of it better i didn't join the 27 club so um that was it it was a big part of my life i started i was calling my mom like okay i get it now and i'm scared and i don't know what to do and i need your help she's like oh yeah of course how old are you now like makes sense yeah sure yeah, I guess you said 9-11 was like kind of a big moment for you. So let's start there. What was it about 9-11 that made you say like, it's time to put the boots on, start teaching people?
Corbie:
[12:11] Because I had always loved the psychic work part time, but I knew that the world had changed and would never be the same. And it would be more full of fear, greed, horror than we had seen for a long time. Also, my father, who was my best friend, had died just a week before. So everything seemed to be convergent. And frankly, I was really, really tired of corporate work. When you're like me, you're smart, you're savvy, but you're charismatic, which means people either love you or hate you. I was always given to the bastard bosses because they thought I was tough. And it's exhausting. I mean, the last person I worked for used to throw files in my head when she didn't like what I told her. Done. Done. So I said, look, if the world is going to blow itself up, I am going to at least be someone who helps people find other answers. You know, which pill is that? The red pill or the blue pill? Um,
Corbie:
[13:22] So, I mean, it wasn't easy, but I treated it, indeed, like a business. I mean, I keep my records, I pay my taxes, I do the social media, I do all the advertising. And that's why a lot of psychics can't make a living at it, because they have no corporate background. They don't know how to run into this business. But I have not worked for anybody else since 9-11.
Corbie:
[13:53] I've still got a solid business. I laugh at what the universe does. I mean, I used to be on the road 45 weekends a year. My nickname was the Travel Channel, and I loved it. And I kept getting this nudge from upstairs, you really ought to be home, you know. No, no, no. I love, you know, the travel. I love going into hotels like a Hilton Diamond, and I'm getting the We're Not Worthy. So finally, the summer of 19, I got a herniated disc and a pinched nerve, which must make having triplets feel like a tea party. Let me tell you. Took about four months for PT to get me back in shape, but they said, look, we're really sorry, but your career is over. You cannot do the 10-hour drives anymore. You can't load in and load out the heavy stuff. So that was November. I spent my time rushing to get my business totally online. What happened? The beginning of the following year, but the years of Murder, Hornet, Bingo, and Hold, my beer. So anybody who just did circuit when COVID came, they tanked. My business just kept going. So that's one of the other reasons I know the universe will get it across to you and hit you upside the head with as many clue bricks as it needs to.
Tyler:
[15:06] COVID was like the best time ever to be in the video game industry.
Corbie:
[15:10] Oh, yeah.
Tyler:
[15:10] It was the first thing. Well, it was the best time to be in the not corporate video game industry. Like if you depended on having an office where people have to come into work, it sucked. But like forever, every indie studio that was just like a bunch of dudes on Discord or something like that, typing away at their computers and talking online, it was like, oh, nothing changes and I could focus on work more. Epic. And people were at home. they're buying games they're but you know watching tv whatever anything for entertainment to get them through that time and the thing is that people didn't plan on that crashing when it you know is like that so a lot of the corporations were like oh great we're making a lot of money throw more money at it two years later it's like oh people aren't buying games anymore let's lay off 80 of our people and you know but no i.
Corbie:
[16:04] Was i was lucky i would i would get hits about six months before so we had our pandemic pantry all set i got a hit the beginning of 24 about what was going to come down the pike that we're in the middle of now so we've got a year's worth
Tyler:
[16:22] Of
Corbie:
[16:24] Foodstuffs in the basement and it ain't the you know mre stuff because i'm a good cook So it's everything you need from scratch. And now, with the way the USDA, FDA, there's going to be no more food safety, and it's a crapshoot every time you eat, I'm really glad I have that. So don't ask me how we're going to get out of this because I do not know. Will we? Yes. Even the Reich was only 12 years.
Corbie:
[16:57] But i agree with buddha jeng we are not going back to what we had we can't we have got to rebuild which is i explain it as the tower moment to a lot of my clients and basically for those who don't know the tower card in tarot it's a building struck by lightning and there's flames and there's people falling off and people see it as doom gloom and destruction and i say i want you to think of it as the imploding sports stadium card red sox want to build a new stadium they got to blow up fenway first and clear the ground and that's basically what we're doing
Tyler:
[17:34] Have you listened to this podcast at all like.
Corbie:
[17:38] Sorry, Paul, to confess no.
Tyler:
[17:40] It's okay. I talk a lot about the tower. It's my favorite card.
Corbie:
[17:44] There you go.
Tyler:
[17:45] It's the card that falls out of the deck when I'm putting it away or something like that. Oh, yeah. Shiva must destroy the world before it can be made pure again, but it'll never be pure, so it has to be destroyed again. Every time we try to build something perfect, we're inevitably non-perfect, all that stuff.
Corbie:
[18:05] Holly and the Morgan Sell the popcorn Yeah
Tyler:
[18:08] I get it Yeah.
Corbie:
[18:10] You know there are three cards That weird out rookies Death the devil and the tower And when they come up I have to explain it to them Because it ain't that And you know The death card does not mean You're going to be hit by a bus on Tuesday It's death of an old way of life What you've outgrown What was never you in the first place And the devil card is not Mr. Horns and a Tail And it's not even Jack Nicholson And the Witches of Eastwood It's being bedeviled by something Someone on some situation or holding yourself back from your highest and best. And that's one of the most important things. A good tarot reader, and I'm a certified tarot master, has to be able to explain the allegory if they're going to get it across to people that have never had readings before. Otherwise, they're just going to see it like every snuff film you've ever seen.
Tyler:
[18:55] I think the problem with the devil card is that people just have this idea of what the devil is coming into that, right? But if you understand even the biblical devil as an archetype, then the card shouldn't be too bewildering to you. We deal a lot with people's analytical overlay, you know, like something that media has told them about what something means and not necessarily what it really means. It's the same as if you're playing a game or watching a movie and you hear a gunshot. It's not really what a gun sounds like at all. but movies have made us think that's what a gunshot sounds like then you go shoot a real gun you're like oh that was surprisingly not dramatic like in the movies i'm like.
Corbie:
[19:33] True but
Tyler:
[19:34] We have this expectation built up in our mind of well in the movies this is what a gun sounds like so when they make another movie if they were like we're gonna do real guns i'm like go ahead and then they shoot it and they're like
Tyler:
[19:45] sounds like crap we have to do the block thing.
Corbie:
[19:48] Okay um
Tyler:
[19:50] Yeah it's it's really interesting i i do i do think that like kind of the thing that ties all of those cards together at least for me is that they mean change or something needs to change.
Corbie:
[20:02] Yes absolutely people
Tyler:
[20:04] Don't like change change is worse than breath or the devil.
Corbie:
[20:06] Which is why they panic yeah now it's one of the reasons i also use a good seven eight different oracle decks sure because they'll each have a different meaning um one deck is specifically for look for relationships one is your storyboard uh fairy's oracle is when you need to kick up side the head but funnily enough i also have a children's deck and i don't read children but what's
Tyler:
[20:39] A children's deck.
Corbie:
[20:40] I'll show you uh when i'm at a psychic expo i'm an a-lister so i'm constantly busy and invariably somebody wasn't able to get a sitter for two-year-old muffin so a little muffin sitting on her lap and going mommy card mommy card mommy card yes corby will you at least let her pull a card if all i have is my tarot deck what if it's look muffin death it has nightmares so this is it's called cat wisdom and it's nothing but kitties and puppies and squirrelies and little kid can pull a card oh look you're gonna get a surprise too kid's happy and then i go back to normally reading these are some of the things that i explain in my third book which is you've got the magic who needs a genie it's every damn thing i learned being on the road for 18 years why should they have to reinvent things and in there there are also some interesting things called Corby Gets Candid, where I explain some of the tougher stuff
Corbie:
[21:48] Classic is I was doing readings in London, Ontario, and a young 20-something guy didn't like what I had to tell him. So the next day I come in and there's an anonymous death threat on my table. But I'm very smart. One of the things is when you sit down with me, unless you literally have Parkinson's or can't write, I have a sign-in sheet that you put your name and your birthday and it's your first time with me so we were able to match up the handwriting from the death threat and the signing sheet and i turned it over to the ontario police and they took care of it this is not a kumbaya business right it just isn't never has been and it certainly isn't now it's one of the reasons i'm a rev yes part of it is because um i believe that everybody deserves sacred ceremony if they want it but uh in you know 20 years ago when i started if i went south with the mason dixon line it was hey y'all you're doing cards you're doing the devil's work and i'd say oh no i'm a reverend oh it's spiritual counseling rev i'm so sorry you go right ahead praise the lord you got my it's a clergy
Tyler:
[22:57] Card just in case that ever comes up.
Corbie:
[22:59] Yeah yeah man good man yeah um mine is uh order of melchizedek uh sanctuary of the beloved up here um every
Tyler:
[23:10] Time i've ever had that conversation like what you're describing i inevitably find out that i know dramatically more about scripture than that person whoever it is that's saying that i'm like.
Corbie:
[23:21] Okay
Tyler:
[23:21] Let's go let's talk about this because i'm pretty sure i probably read the book and you didn't if i had to guess but yeah go ahead.
Corbie:
[23:30] As long as they don't come back to you the devil can skirt scripture for his purpose you know it's great to have a nice life yeah but yeah um There's so much about doing this work that is not what people see. You know, they see the glitter, but no, we're not all Madame Rosa like on The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. We just ain't. So.
Corbie:
[23:58] One of the things you talked and you said that your mom was a medium.
Corbie:
[24:04] I never had training on talking to dead people.
Corbie:
[24:09] But it happened. I do my mediumship a little differently than a lot of people because I have seen too many fakes go, I'm seeing a woman in a flower dress, handing you a rose. It's your grandmother. Oh, can I bomb it now? Where's the proof? So what I do is I get their dog tags. For instance, my father, Jerome Richard Dorkin, who died in 2001 at the age of 80, notice tells me nothing, but gets me into the energy. And oddly, what my guides like to do is they play charades. He smoked, he toked, he had surgery, there was an accident. Sometimes they'll give me words to say or attitudes. But it's one of the reasons I will not do mediumship on a public stage, because I won't censor. And my favorite story is years ago, there was a biracial, same-gender couple. The black partner had died, and her white widow wanted to speak to her. Now, y'all aren't seeing my face, but Tyler knows this is the nice Jewish kid from Cherry Hill, New Jersey. I have manners. But what comes out of my mouth in flawless urban ebonics was, well, shit, it ain't my white bitch. And I'm like, but the woman in front of me breaks out laughing and nodding because that is how her partner, Isabel, walked into the house after every business trip. Now, I cannot do that on stage.
Tyler:
[25:30] Uh-uh.
Corbie:
[25:32] But. You know, one-on-one, absolutely. What I do on stage, though, is a past life gallery because I can pull down past lives instantaneously. If I have a gift, that's it. But that's because I think when Spirit hands you your draft notice and you take it, it goes rifling inside you to see what you got, what your skills.
Corbie:
[25:59] Professional actress, I know stories. Published author i can tell the stories and i have loved history since i was a wee thing in single digits in fact that's how my husband and i met he has been part of the old runbeck aerodrome which is a flying museum in upstate new york since the 60s and i picked up a past life of mine two lives ago german pilot in world war one so i loved the place and as he says i met this gorgeous brunette who knew the difference between a Fogartirre 1 and an F1 based on the wing skids had to marry her.
Corbie:
[26:37] Why that's important, there could be somebody else who is also a very good person at past lives, but doesn't have the history background. If you show us both the same vision, they may go, well, it's a long skirt and big hat, just found a really ornate building. So I think it's Europe somewhere. I could see the same thing and go, she's in a hobble skirt, that's a picture hat and that kind of ostrich feather standing in front of the brandon brigade she's in berlin in 1911 or 12 but do not ask me to do spirit art because i cannot draw a stick figure with a sharp pencil and a loud prayer not my wheelhouse
Tyler:
[27:11] Yeah one of the things that stands out to me a lot and i'm learning this is that i think when we watch our tv psychics you know and they have this cult of personality around them where it's about me i have a special power i'm i have this gift and the more i get into this the more i'm learning, this like the the power is not coming from that person it's like i have a guide i have someone that i talk to i have someone that shows me things um and it's or i'm channeling something through me but to assign i'm special i have a gift i'm important pay me money is like a dead giveaway to me now i'm like okay.
Corbie:
[28:01] So those are the ones that i say they think their aura don't stink
Tyler:
[28:04] Sure and the thing is that, people who can see that stuff and also do it know immediately. It's like, you can't, you can't bullshit a bullshitter, and you, and you definitely can't bullshit an expert. So, like, I was talking about my mother earlier, you know, she has a lot of cool friends, some of which I've, you know, hey, what's up, you know, let's talk about this kind of thing, and my mom can tell me kind of immediately, like, I think she's gifted, or he's gifted, or something like that, like, he has the thing but i have seen him make shit up in front of clients because it's like you have to keep that charade going and it's like it's like a disconnect like i'm i'm sure a lot of those people truly do, experience psychic phenomena and yet they are they have built this sort of you know we're talking about people being on stage and costumes and stuff like that they built this expectation around that that they're like i'm flawless and i can never let anyone down or whatever and then they fall you know one step at a time into that trap of being a bullshitter um and that's that's kind of terrible because i feel like if you're just honest with yourself you you just you know you just tell people like not getting anything this isn't working for me um maybe i need to call a friend but you know my my particular gift or my guide or you know i'm not able to pick up on what's on here um but you know when it becomes your job it's hard to say no um.
Corbie:
[29:33] You know i have um a chapter and you've got the magic who needs a genie about um what you do and part of it is ethics and the ethics is you do not take money for what you cannot do that's you know bad bad money bad energy um i have always said on my tombstone should be i'm not special you can do what i do because people can they can um may take skills but the example we all have 10 fingers right everybody can pick out chopsticks chapsticks some of us really love the idea of music so we study and we practice and we get good one in a hundred million is elton john but we all have 10 fingers so i completely agree with the ego has to be kept at the door i came this close to getting my own reality show but they said and we have to tell everybody nobody can do what you do i said you can't that's a lie because that's a lie against everything i've ever said and they just shrugged said well thanks we're not interested went and found something was willing to lie i'm
Tyler:
[30:48] Sure you know this but like i'm not even going to say the names of the shows i'm just going to say a lot of, paranormal programming that we see every person who's been on those shows doesn't like to talk about when they were on that show like they could tell you like stories like oh we went to this place and all that kind of stuff but they're under like the most and i'm in the video game industry the most restrictive ndas that exist it's like you can't fucking say anything that would in any way disparage what they show on the show and then for and for the rest of your life there's no time limit on it so.
Corbie:
[31:23] It's just like i never signed an nda because i give this example to people You watch the Long Island media. Because I have something that I talk about called the drive-by psychic shooting.
Tyler:
[31:36] Sure.
Corbie:
[31:36] And so I say, okay. They show, there's this woman in Wegmans feeling up a cantaloupe. And in comes Teresa Computer going, excuse me, you ran to Orville. She says you have a bull tire in the back. And if you don't change it in a week, you're going to die in an accident. Just telling you. And she walks away. No bullshit. Number one, all of her PR people and her production staff go and they take a look at every single Wegmans on Long Island. Then they talk to the manager and they get the permissions. Then they interview everybody who's going to be on and they have to sign model releases. And then they rehearse it six times. But what that does is people that don't get the backstage think they have a right to walk up to anybody and start telling them things. And I tell my people, you tell them no. If they say, I want to tell you that you just say, I'm not interested. And if they keep pushing, you report them to the manager, you're being harassed. Because you don't know, are they any good? Do they have anything that's real? And it's one of the things that gives the rest of us psychics a bad name. If you get approached by somebody from Lillydale, they'll say, excuse me, my name is Reverend Shirley, and I am a spiritualist at Lillydale. I believe I have a message for you. May I come to you, magic praises. And if you say no, they nod and they go away, knowing that if that message is that important for you, Spirit will get it to you in another way. But what this does is...
Corbie:
[33:02] That makes the psychic's ego bigger than the other person's free will, which frosts me. But I run into this, even in psychic affairs. Remember, I said I'm an A-lister. The longest show I would ever do was a four-day one in Ontario. Three to nine, ten to nine, ten to nine, and ten to six, I would end up reading 70 people and do two lectures in four days.
Corbie:
[33:26] So at the end of the day, I bent over the table for 11 hours. My neck would hurt, and I would do this. And guaranteed there would be some little rookie that I give her the generic name, a little dancing raccoon would say, here, I can do Reiki. And she comes at you like this. I said, thank you. No, no, really, I can help you. I prefer not. Just let me back off. Yeah. You're not very loving light, are you? Well, you didn't listen.
Tyler:
[33:50] Yeah. Boundaries.
Corbie:
[33:52] Uh-huh.
Tyler:
[33:52] It's like, I always use the, it's like if you ever saw Dora the Explorer, like Swiper. Yeah. They have to say it exactly three times or else he's going to steal their stuff or whatever. But if you say it three times, he's like, oh, and shucks and walks away. But unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way.
Corbie:
[34:10] Opposite of Beetlejuice.
Tyler:
[34:11] Yeah. They're probably thinking about the same thing. Show business is ritual magic.
Tyler:
[34:19] That's probably the first time I've said that. And I hope that people don't think I'm crazy, but it is.
Tyler:
[34:25] 100%. It's what they're doing to you. that it's you are being hypnotized into believing something so reality tv is really good at this but it's just basically a black magician tool that's been around since the dawn of time of getting getting you to believe in a lie which every reality tv show producer probably if i have a hand on my tarot deck have to pull the devil card it's like this is what you're doing, and and if people watch this and there's nothing wrong with entertainment i love professional, wrestling and all that stuff it's great but you know the question is like are you fooled by the the the illusion that they're creating for you so every every everybody, can just easily go on youtube and watch like a producer on a reality show talking to a person you just ask them it's like if you're in a court you ask them leading questions and then the first rule of reality tv is when the producer asks you a question answer the question as if it wasn't a question. So what did you have for breakfast today? For breakfast i had and then they just cut the producer out of the show and that's how you get these takes but it's not it's not that difficult to put two and two together when it's like, okay so you're telling me after the fact after this happened now you just have all these cuts to another person narrating exactly what happened that day like that doesn't work that way no.
Corbie:
[35:48] And it's like the shows what john ed or whatever you have an hour and a half of oh my god how does he do this and you don't see the eight hours that's on the cutting room floor you just don't
Tyler:
[35:57] No you don't and it could be i mean i'm not gonna i really unless someone tells me they want something cut out or if it's like hey let's go take a bathroom break like i don't i don't do the whole hard editing with the podcast but i promise you i could make you sound like just whatever we say in these three hours i could make it sound like whatever i want i know that i could trim out i.
Corbie:
[36:20] Used to want to be famous but now it's dangerous just is
Tyler:
[36:23] I've seen it happen to people and i've had to you know like kind of coax people out of the woodworks of like i know you've been done that way before i will not do it to you i will send it to you before i put it out so that you can approve, whatever's going to be out there in the world if you want me to change something for this like if you misspoke i'll fix it for you because i don't want to misrepresent you um but then there's a million youtube channels or it's like oh video game developer of this thing said blah blah blah about something that would piss off you know our left-leaning audience or the right something that would piss somebody off just so they can get a bunch of clicks and and walk away and it's like that's just so abusive and it's, really mean like why what do you gain from that other than short-term gain in the long run you just all you do is run everybody off that would potentially want to do business with you.
Corbie:
[37:18] I've i've done about 400 of these things over the past 10 years yeah and so out there is everything that you're gonna love or you're gonna hate or whatever um but you know it's like i use what i call my Elton John name. Corby is Gaelic for ravens because I love them. And flight is German. It means compassion reminds me why I do the work. But way in the beginning, I used to read under my legal name. And in those days, it was the landline. But I obviously knew that had to change in short order when I would get calls at three in the morning and the guy would say, hey, my wife left. Is she coming back or can I fuck the girl down the street? She's hot. And, you know, no thank you so now you got the Elton John name and my cell phone and it goes off at 9 o'clock and I have like
Tyler:
[38:11] That's good work life separation.
Corbie:
[38:15] Oh please absolutely time for my husband time for my cats you know I grew up in the city and when I first moved out here we're in the tip of the Catskill Mountains I thought I was moving to Mars as As Richard said once when he and Wendy came up to visit, there's suburban and there's rural, but this is lunar. But at the same time, the idea that I live in the middle of a little valley where I can't see my neighbors, and it's just sky and mountain and peace, when you work with as many people a year as I do, you crave that. It's what rebalances you.
Tyler:
[39:00] I would imagine that if you have a propensity towards like empathy or psychic ability of any kind that growing up in a city would be extraordinarily overwhelming i grew up in the fucking woods and it was awesome i wouldn't change it for anything because i had so much space and privacy and like you can walk around in some places in america and reasonably believe that like there's no dead people here just the me and the wood elves it's so peaceful and then when the first time i set foot on the ground in like amsterdam i was overwhelmed i was like oh my god there's not a square foot with without bones underneath you like where there's something happened here that there's karma everywhere like i.
Corbie:
[39:48] Trust me i get that um Once I had figured out that I had this past life as a German soldier, I remembered that I went to the Western Front in the early 90s. And I hadn't learned ground, center, shield, take care of nothing. I was just this wide open thing. And I spent the night in Verdun. And I never slept. Because it was like all of the ghosts of the men who had been killed there thought there was a new party line phone. And I saw shadows in the room and scared the bejesus out of me. But interestingly, for a while, I seemed to be a doorway for the soldiers. I remember in Atlanta, all of a sudden I saw this German trench soldier. Half his face was not there, which means it was blown away. And he was caught in the gray spaces, which sometimes happens when someone is killed like that. And they all want to know first who won. And you have to explain. It's, you know, a hundred years ago. It doesn't matter.
Tyler:
[41:03] Fucking nobody won. You died.
Corbie:
[41:06] But you must be kinder. They have to get to forgive themselves for whom they killed, forgive those who killed them, and then you can help them get into the light.
Tyler:
[41:15] Right.
Corbie:
[41:19] It's interesting. what I have that a lot of people want to talk to their dead people and I explain they're not up there in a nightgown or a cloud but hearts there was one man who was someone who had fought very valiantly in World War II had a chest full of medals which I did not know at the time I just knew he was had been in the army and when we connected with his spirit, he said that he makes a specialty of being there to help those souls who are blown up by IUDs to adjust. So there, because there's compassion. You know, people say, is mom still mad at me? No, no, she's not. Because the life review we go through clears it. so that you can be in your pure soul self. And there's nothing but compassion. You know, that's one of the things that disturbs me, that people think, yeah, he's been dead for 20 years, but he still hates you. Get a life, get a clue. That's people thinking. People thinking.
Tyler:
[42:42] When you talk about being stuck in the gray area, what does that mean to you?
Corbie:
[42:49] That means that that soul fragment can't figure out how to make it upstairs because their death was so violent. Doesn't happen all the time. Right. But it can. It can. Um sometimes you see what i call tape loops which is when you see a ghost that's pacing through a room and everybody always sees the ghost doing the same thing that's not the ghost that's a tape loop of energy right um fragment
Tyler:
[43:24] Is a good word yeah like that person's not still here something they left behind energy that they left behind is still here right um and it could be positive it could be negative it could be really ugly like i think about the metaphor i like is like talking about the astral plane like lead betters working on okay you you you interact with these things that we call evil spirits demons entities werewolves vampires and all that kind of stuff but that's like it's really not like an intelligent being so much so is that it's, it's something that someone shed on their way up this ladder it's the demon inside of them that they let go and it's still here.
Corbie:
[44:03] But that's very often the kind of thing that gets stuck around ouija boards oh god sure well
Tyler:
[44:09] This is this is what a shadow person is to the best of my understanding yeah.
Corbie:
[44:13] You know people saw on downton abbey that daisy and anna got lavinia giving matthew and mary but no um i have had to do because most people who use ouija boards do not know how to grand center shield or keep themselves safe they just put their hands on the planchette and say who's there right i have had to deal with two hysterical gibbering teenagers who when they did that the planchette spelled backwards very fast i have an axe and i'm here to kill you trust me it's not their uncle danny yeah and for everybody who says oh it's a toy what could it be and i say all right especially if i'm lecturing who in the audience has a kid or grandkid under 10 hands go up i say okay you what's the kid's name josh how old is josh josh is eight okay fine josh comes to you and says grandma grandma i got always on my report code you said we could go pick out a toy let's go and he takes you into the toy department and points to a box that says my first chainsaw it's in the toy department gonna let him play with it by himself no you know sometimes people have they don't have the brain cells the goddamn wallpaper they just don't and you have to spell of these things out to them. You know, glitter and big letters. So.
Tyler:
[45:30] Ultimately, I hope that, you know, there's going to be people that listen to stuff like this and they're like, ah, this is a bunch of nonsense and they walk away. I hope that the people who do listen to it can understand, ideally find new ways to express what it is that they're already thinking such that they can make it make sense to someone else that they're close to and then hopefully there's like a trickle down economics effect over time where you know more and more people are like able to communicate all right it's our number one we talked about the tower earlier it's our number one fucking problem is we we suck at communicating with each other most disagreements are about semantics and misunderstandings and not really about not believing in the same thing it's just that you you call god god and i call him allah and i don't like that so fuck you or yeah dumb when.
Corbie:
[46:20] When i work with people i say look i don't care if you're christian jewish muslim pagan or believe in ralph the wonder dog i really don't just know that somebody up there loves you wants the best for you and is willing to work with you
Tyler:
[46:32] Sure i.
Corbie:
[46:33] Did the cancer dance and came out on the other had three times i kind of don't think i did that without help but that's me
Tyler:
[46:39] It's hard to have that conversation with somebody who like genuinely is like nope there's nothing because i used to be that guy i was like i can't prove it to me i don't see any i don't see any statistics, so it's probably not likely and therefore i'm just not even going to pay mine to it and then you know now i'm on the other end of that and i'm saying like yo i understand that it's like, i quit drinking because like i was having a kid and all that but for me it was like i was please god give me a reason and then that day i was like oh you're gonna be a dad and that gave me a reason and i'm like okay so from my perspective my prayer was answered and we could say that's a coincidence or we could say you know whatever we want about it but like that's reality to me now and i'm going to be interfacing with the universe from now on with that in mind so every time i look at that a glass of wine, I have to think, I kind of made a deal about this. Wouldn't be a very good idea to go back on that deal. It seems like if I play by the rules, I'm rewarded for that. So...
Tyler:
[47:44] But I get when you say that to someone who's not there yet or maybe they're never going to be there, and that's okay too, that it's just really easy to kind of write it all off.
Corbie:
[47:56] I have two magic phrases that I teach a lot of my clients when they're running up against someone who just will not change their mind, no matter what you do. And I just said, you smile at them and you say, thank you for sharing. You may think that if you wish. Notice, no argument, but you're not agreeing. It gives them no place to continue the argument which is kind of a relief
Tyler:
[48:19] I like it when they get mad about that that's like my favorite thing is i'm like okay you're entitled to your own opinion and i respect that and i don't have any interest in changing your mind and then they're like but i want you to argue with me you know without saying it like what do you mean like you're just okay with that yeah i don't care what you think i don't give a fuck like it's fine i hope that i hope that you're happy but the next time you come to me and you tell me i'm really deeply unhappily and i feel lost and i can't make sense of it that you don't expect me to give you a different answer than the one i've already gave you and and that's okay and it took me a really long time i had a lot of people really like extend the olive branch and i was like swatted it i'm like no i'm not and i wasn't ready couldn't have handled it it's too big for me there until it was done?
Corbie:
[49:06] There are too many things that I have known and done that can't be me. Especially when it comes to past lives. One of my favorite stories, there was a woman who came to me and said, I don't know what to do about my son. He's 29. He won't make any major decisions without me. He won't even live a mile from me. Something's going on. And said, okay, took me about 20, 30 seconds, came back down and said, all right, I'm seeing 1944 Utah Beach, so this is D-Duck. Your son is a soldier. He's down. He's got shrapnel in his leg. He's bleeding out. You're his commanding officer. You crawl over, you pull him over a dune to safety. You take some shrapnel too, but you both live. And she looks at me and she says, can you see my wreck? I said, yeah, you were a sergeant. She goes, he's called me sergeant since he was three years old, and we've never known why.
Corbie:
[50:06] Um, there is something called first night. A lot of cities do New Year's Eve. It's, you know, citywide, lots of fun, et cetera. So first night, Saratoga Springs, a few years back, I did a past life gallery where people do mediumship galleries. And remember, everybody is bundled up on their puffy coats. I can't see what they're wearing. So a woman says, why is it that I am so enamored, obsessed with the home front for World War II? And again, 30 seconds, I said, you were a mother. You had six kids.
Corbie:
[50:46] Four of them were sons, and they each went into a different branch of the service. You and your daughters, you did the scrap drives. You did USO. You did everything you could to support your boys on the home front because it meant so much to you for what they were fighting for. The son in the Air Force was killed, and you said to your daughters, we will not wear black. We will not mourn the fact that he died for his country. We will wear sky blue, the color of heaven. And that's what the women wore for a year for their mourning. And the woman gets up, turns her back to me, unzips her coat. There's a gaff. She turns around. She's in a sky blue shirt. She says, this has always been my favorite color. How do I know how to do that? I don't. And the other example is, remember I talked about my dad. He and I shared the same birthday. He was my best friend. In fact, my first book is dedicated to him. That's us.
Tyler:
[51:53] Handsome fella.
Corbie:
[51:55] Dead ringer for either Gregory Peck or Abe Lincoln, depending. But he was a brilliant cardiologist. Brilliant.
Corbie:
[52:05] And sometimes when I'm doing medical, he does consult. So there was a woman, Thousand Legs area, 74 and still being a nurse. She said, do me a favor, just do a baseline. And I hear the rustle of a coat behind me and I point to the empty air and he's like, I'd like to introduce you to my father, Dr. Jerome Dworkin. He was a brilliant cardiologist and he still does consult. Remember, I was a theater major. I faded it, but everyone else in my family was medicine. I didn't want anything to do with it. But dad connects in and I open up and the first thing's out of my mouth is what's with the T waves. I don't know what a T wave is. She looks at me. She had just had an EKG and electric cardiogram done and her T waves were adorable. What did dad do for 30 years as director of the heart station in Cooper hospital in Canyon, New Jersey, but reading KGs. So I look up at the empty air and I say, you know, he's still pretty damn good. Even if you aren't dead, he laughs, you know, How would I know anything like that? It's not me. Somebody is allowing me to gain that information to help other people. You know, the hammer does not go strutting around on the back deck and go, look at this tracks.
Corbie:
[53:19] I did such a good. No, honey, you hit your head against the nail. Somebody else held you. I'm a hammer. I'm a tool.
Corbie:
[53:26] My ego doesn't get in the way.
Tyler:
[53:28] How do you interface with the why me? Why is this happening to me? Why am I the one who's getting all this info part of it?
Corbie:
[53:42] It's an honor it's an honor it's a gift now mind you my family doesn't except for dad and my stepmother my family doesn't believe in what i do no it's not true my nephew does um but there are people in my family that think i'm a charlatan who steals people's money after all these years it is hard to accept the fact that your family will never believe in you or what you do but what I do is bigger than me and I have brought relief, peace, important information part of the rules with my guides is I'm not going to tell you when you're going to die It's none of my business. And I generally don't see major, major medical stuff. I'll send you to my buddy, Stacy, for that. But many years ago, a guy asked Daddy South. He said, I'm seeing something gray in the chest. Just go get it checked. Never saw him again. Five years later, his widow comes to me and says, you read my husband five years ago, and you spotted something that helped us recognize that he was starting ALS. And because we caught it so very early, he had four really great years before he passed. And I wanted to thank you.
Corbie:
[55:08] And I smiled and I said, I'm glad I could help. It wasn't me. You know, it is vital if you're going to do this work that you put your ego aside. Because if your ego is involved, you may decide you don't want to tell them things. If my ego had been involved, would I have told the white widow what the black partner was saying in those words? What if I was wrong? What if she would get mad? No, it just, out.
Tyler:
[55:41] Right.
Corbie:
[55:43] So that's why it's not a matter of why me. Though I will say there is a great system. It's known as the Michael Channels. This is not the Archangel. This is a causal entity. Shepard Hoodwin is the guy I know that does the best channeling. And in there, the idea is the soul chooses one of seven roles to play. Priest, sage, I'll go major, minor, priest, server, sage, artisan, king, warrior, and the neutralist scholar. This is a soul that's been doing the priest thing for a long time. Even 100 years ago, when I was the hand of a squadron, people would come to me and say, Leutnant, can I talk to you? I'm always the one that people want to talk to. So that tells me that this is simply a continuation of the work I am supposed to be doing in some form.
Tyler:
[56:45] That's very interesting. So which of those archetypes do you feel that you fall into?
Corbie:
[56:49] Oh, priest and my essence twin, I call it, is a sage.
Tyler:
[56:53] Sure.
Corbie:
[56:54] Which is why, I mean, if you look at my chart, it's Pisces, Virgo moon, Virgo rising. I laugh when you say I'm a flake, but I'm a really organized flake. And Grand Triangle water, which just goes. Okay.
Corbie:
[57:10] So it is natural that I have a theater background, am a charismatic, but at the same time I can do the psychic work. But, you know, I tell people I take my work seriously, me not so much. I have done stand-up comedy about you think a psychic's life is easy. If I was one of the ones that thinks her aura don't stink, I would not be laughing at myself, God. No, I would make sure you knew how vital I was and you couldn't do what I do. That's the difference. This is important. This is the difference between a mentor and a guru. A mentor will push you a little bit farther than you think you can go, kick you out of the nest a little before you think you're ready, and sit in the audience and applaud you for getting an award at being better at what they do than they are. The perfect example is Meryl Streep clutching her Oscar, thanking her drama teacher at Yale. Gurus are the ones that write the same books over and over and over again, tell you that they're the only ones that have their answers, and now they take you on a cruise so they can tell you the same thing about how you'll never do what they did. But they have all the information.
Corbie:
[58:24] Now you know you were talking before about the ones that make they make millions of dollars off this
Corbie:
[58:33] And sometimes I get told, why are you charging? It's a spiritual gift. You're just greedy.
Corbie:
[58:43] And, you know, there are things that people say, forgive me, I'm going to make sure I have it right. But in two of my books, there is the thing about pay fair to play fair. And I get these all the time. How about doing a reading for less at least you're getting paid can my friend and i have a reading together and only pay for one here do a free reading for me and if i'm impressed i'll tell all my friends about you wow that's a lot but i really want a reading and they stare at you or why won't you give me a free reading you're not very spiritual you flip it and you say things like how about you change the pipes in my bathroom sink and replace my dishwasher i only pay you for one service call. Clean my house a couple of times for free and I'll tell everyone you're good. Or to a doctor, why won't you see me for free? You'd rather I just got sick and died. You're not very compassionate. And they say, oh, that's ridiculous. I say, it's the same thing. This is a world where money pays for life. If you want me to do this six days a week, 14 hours a day, I have to charge. But I encourage my clients to spend less money. Do not buy more than you need. Don't get an hour with me. I am fast, baby. You'll do in a half an hour.
Corbie:
[1:00:07] So that it's fair to them and it's fair to me. There is nothing wrong with charging for what you do if you're good and you're honest and you have decades of skills and certifications. There isn't. You just charge fairly. Does that make sense to you?
Tyler:
[1:00:27] Yeah, this is a conversation in any, I'll call it, like artistic field. It's like how we have a culture ever since, you know, the internet of people are like, well, art should be free.
Tyler:
[1:00:41] But no artist is saying that. No, the service provider is not saying that. But like people are like, well, it should be free to everyone. and like they'll you know pirate movies pirate video games whatever and i mean pirates are going to be there's always going to be pirates there's nothing wrong i'm not saying there's nothing wrong with it but i wish i should say it's inevitable that people are going to take take things that ought not belong to them and like the counter argument is like yeah but i like you're not thinking about my time, right so forget about my skills or my integrity all that shit it's like the amount of time that people put into creating this they had to pay for their ability to live during that, time frame right so at minimum that's your i mean that's your burn rate it's like what does it cost me to live during the time that i'm going to make this happen for you yeah and what is it gonna and Not just financially, but what is the time you're taking away from me being in the... Right now, this is time I'm spending with you and not holding my baby, hanging out with my wife, all that kind of shit. And what's that worth to you?
Tyler:
[1:01:56] And a lot of people undervalue themselves. A lot of people are like, well, I couldn't possibly... I'm like, no, you're too good of a person. Relax. You need to make a living. you need to you need to you know charge that extra two dollars for your game or stop putting your music out for free and like actually find some clients who want to pay for it um and learn how licensing fees work and shit like that because you're talented i know so many great music composers who will never make a dime simply because they don't know how to value themselves um and i'm like okay how long did it take you to make the song okay i can't pay you hourly but like let's find something that makes it worthwhile for you to do this so that you don't have to go back to that job that you hate um that's difficult for a lot of people it's like you want you want me to spend my time being a psychic medium and writing all these books for you, and doing this podcast is basically a free fucking service for you you want me to not be hanging out with my husband right now or whatever it is uh to do this reading for you my time is valuable that's it like it doesn't matter any any other conversation about it is kind of really dumb but i will say like i mean.
Tyler:
[1:03:09] As far as, you know, magical organizations go and like kind of the rules that have been passed down since at least the fucking Knights Templar is like it's gets the rules to like profit from it. You know, then it doesn't mean the Knights shouldn't be paid to guard the fucking palace. But it's if you're making millions of dollars lying to people, you're breaking the rules. And everybody knows that. And that's you're that you're gonna pay for that on the other end it's like drinking like, yeah you're borrowing fun from tomorrow right now and when that tomorrow comes for you you'll you're gonna have to deal with whatever karma you've built for yourself so if you're in your case i mean from from what i can tell i don't know you that well but i mean if you're just making a living doing what you can do to help people like when you go pay your karmic debt probably not going to be that much well.
Corbie:
[1:04:02] And it's i do some things pro bono i always will sure um for instance i said i'm in the book with robert schwartz his books your soul's playing your soul's gift your soul's love about pre-birth planning and i do soul plan readings this is when people come to me and say things like why did i choose to parent handicapped children um why do i have problems with abandonment, why did my child die at age 25? And when we did the work for Rob for those kinds of questions in his books, he would do the major interview and then the psychics would come in and we would do hours of work. Of course, in the book, in the chapter, it looks like they just did this. But as I explained to people, When you book a session with me, I send you homework. You need to get back to me with the information Rob would have given me. Then I'll come to you with any clarification questions. Then the morning we're going to work, I'm at my desk at 6.30 in the morning, and I spend 12 hours in deep trance meditation pulling down as many past lives in detail as I can, talking to your higher self, checking the numerology, and then you're on the phone with me for an hour. So you're getting 14 hours of my work. But at the same time, what I charge you is 20% of what my hourly rate is so people can afford it.
Tyler:
[1:05:24] Right.
Corbie:
[1:05:27] And I feel that's fair. At the same time, you know, I'm on TikTok. It's under the no bullshit psychic.
Corbie:
[1:05:35] And every Thursday night, 730, I will be on live. But I do two things. every other week it's an hour of free readings and i'm fast so i'll read 30 to 40 people in an hour and the alternate thursdays are what i call cafe corby this is not a reading angle this is a hang out where you can ask me any questions about metaphysics spirituality psychic work or even me if you want because again i'm an elder people need somewhere safe to ask these questions so that is how I feel I balance charging and not charging so that I am again it's helping the next generation and showing people who've never had a reading before I got a lot of rookies this is what a reading can be like if it's not gobbledygook if
Tyler:
[1:06:33] It's not valuable the question to ask the person trying to talk you out of valuing it is like if it's not valuable why do you want it. Like if it doesn't have any value to you whatsoever, what is it about it that you want? Why do you need this reading if it's worthless?
Corbie:
[1:06:52] And they're the people. I say we are not in service like a burger, a car wash, or a latte.
Tyler:
[1:06:58] Sure.
Corbie:
[1:06:58] Two things that happened at Psychic Affairs that I've written about. One guy came up in front of me and said, Well, I don't know. Why don't you tell me something you couldn't know about me? And if you're right, I'm okay. I looked at him and I smiled and said, I'm sorry. I don't roll over and fetch either. And I turned my back and he did not get a reading. And the other one, I'll take 15 minutes to breathe every two hours. And I was taking 15 minutes to wolf down a sandwich. He leans over the table, pokes my sandwich and says, you don't need to eat right now. My wife wants a reading. Luckily, I had a front person who slid in front, got him away. And again, I wouldn't take him into a booth. That's the kind of disrespect that we get, especially when people think we're fakes think that we're carnival acts think that they have a you know we are not human
Tyler:
[1:07:48] There's still an entropy to get into the fucking fair like to go to the carnival even if you know in your mind like full well like everything i'm about to do here is all nonsense i mean if you pay me a magician to do a trick that you know is not real quote-unquote magic um so even if you think that it's still like my my time is valuable like yeah and i'm still a human being i need to eat whatever yeah it's i hate i hate entitled people i shouldn't say hey but i i don't like them um but it happens you know just in any business that you're in regardless of this this or whatever it's like people you know they want something for free And sometimes you give them a little bit so that they'll come back later or whatever. Free consultation. Every lawyer in the world is like, oh, I'll give you a free consultation. Yeah. And then you're going to charge me $450 an hour starting at the 15 minute mark after that. And that's cool. You know, whatever.
Corbie:
[1:08:52] And they get pissed when they don't like what you tell them. Sure. All my good stories are Canada.
Tyler:
[1:09:00] That's how you know something's true is if someone's pissed about it. Uh-huh.
Corbie:
[1:09:04] Yeah. And again, this is why you have to leave your ego out.
Tyler:
[1:09:07] All right.
Corbie:
[1:09:07] A woman came to me, and I saw a couple of difficult things that she was going to have as challenges. And I told her, and she looks at me and says, You suck! And she gets up and walks away.
Tyler:
[1:09:18] That was your first challenge, and you failed?
Corbie:
[1:09:21] Next time i'm back in kitchen ontario she's the first person in the chair and she said last time i said you sucked i said yes i remember because you told me that i was going to take in a border and then i was probably going to want to sell my house and i thought that was all bullshit but my daughter got pregnant and moved home and now i'm going to sell my house to help raise my grandson and i still don't like you but i want to know what else you see don't shoot the messenger you know if your ego is in the way and you see that they're getting upset you'll be tempted to say well what i really meant to say was x you will not be that clear champ there's
Tyler:
[1:09:55] Nothing more dangerous than telling the truth people don't like truth tellers they uh usually in our country they get assassinated um rome would put them on crosses nail them to stuff like, it's not a good it's not a it's not a safe business to be in because you're confronting people with exactly the things that they're avoiding you know and they like.
Corbie:
[1:10:19] Telling them the truth, they know you can't be manipulated.
Tyler:
[1:10:22] Yeah.
Corbie:
[1:10:24] So.
Tyler:
[1:10:25] Yeah. But what are some of the, I guess, like the things that you end up telling people that like they react the most negatively to?
Corbie:
[1:10:40] Well, it's the challenges, but I explain to people, I will say, here are your opportunities and how to grab them. Here's a tough stuff. Here's how to get through it or around it. here's your toolbox go rock and roll it's why i don't like yes or no questions i always say ask empowering ask how when someone sits down with me the first thing i say is what's the most important stuff you want to get out of here knowing because i have a lot of tools we can use cards for the everyday tour bus house car job kids finances okay god you put me here what the hell past lives why do i have this thing about victorian china why am i afraid of oatmeal i'm scots-irish whatever i have this thing that pulled peru i want to speak to my spirit guide binky or house dead aunt mabel and i'm fast but i can't do all of that in a half an hour right so once they tell me we start if they say i don't know i look at them and i go what's biting your butt they'll know exactly what they want to do sure if it's cards especially if they said is my new business going to be successful i go and what if i said no
Corbie:
[1:11:44] Better is, how do I work it? How do I make it successful? Multicard. Then the energy around the business, the brick and mortar location, how to market it, clients, competition, staff, finances, what they need to know, and best possible outcome. All of that gives them tools. And that's an example of how what I've done before can work with a psychic. Executive recruiter, I canceled people and careers for years. I used that knowledge from my left brain to work with my right brain um go ahead
Tyler:
[1:12:12] I just had this happen to me like today or like i had a friend who also owns a video game studio and he's like going independent kind of for the first time trying to set up their email servers you know like we want to have like the custom at you know name of company all that stuff i'm like cool what are you paying for that they're like well google's charging us an arm and a leg and my first thought is like you don't really need to be paying google fees like you could probably with the scale you're at save a lot of money and so my mind is like all right i'm gonna give them to my business partner we'll probably charge like a couple hours worth of a consultation fee to teach just teach them how to set it up for themselves never have this problem again and so then i'm in this like group chat that they've set up where it's like okay i'm gonna bring all of our people who would have a say in this and you guys tell them what you think and what we realize is they have already a person who knows exactly what we're talking about like As soon as we spell it out for them, this is what's going on. The other guy's like, oh, yeah, I could do all that. And so all along, it was just a communication breakdown. Like they just, he had this problem. He wasn't telling his DevOps person they would like to solve this problem. And I solved that problem by just starting the conversation. So I'm like, oh, I guess I'm not, I don't really care, but I guess I'm not making money off this. And I'm like, well, my job here is done. Thanks, everybody. Peace out.
Tyler:
[1:13:32] We were talking about earlier with the whole like the drive-by psychic thing that's so many of people's problems are simply just like getting the connection to happen just like this part of the brain and this part of the brain aren't talking to each other yeah yeah uh.
Corbie:
[1:13:47] It's also uh protection for them because if they went to one of the fake gypsies is my business going to be successful it sets them up uh in fact the reason i wrote my second book which is the psychic calibre road this was a 250 person show in borough also
Tyler:
[1:14:15] The name of your podcast right.
Corbie:
[1:14:17] Yes yes it's it's on hiatus what i want to do is i want to do an audiobook of this i'm working on that right now um but the promoters were wonderful i adored them but they could not vet all 250 people So I had my boots and across was one of the fake gypsies. What's a fake gypsy? They put on the headscarf and the jingling jewelry and the long skirt. And they do bad accent and they do kind of be gypsy. So a woman was walking down the aisle looking at all of us. And the fake gypsy runs out and grabs her arm. That's called hooking. And it's as bad as the other kind of hooking. And she goes, oh, you no need to pay $30, $40, $50. I need your palm for $10. Come. Drives the woman into her boot behind the screen. 20 minutes later, a bunch of us see the client leaving, crying hysterically, and we rush over. Are you okay? The gypsy had said, oh, you have a family curse. How many in your family? Four? Your dog? $50 every family member. $25 for a dog. He's small. We fix. And told the woman if she didn't burn 400 specially blessed candles at the Roman Catholic Church, I bless real good. Only one dollar candle. Her entire family was going to die in an accident in two weeks, and the woman bought it.
Corbie:
[1:15:30] That's why this the subtitle is how to find the real wizards and avoid the flying monkeys there are 62,587,212 books out there to tell you how to be a psychic there was not one that tells you how to be safe and that's what this book is about good psychic guidance is art and you shouldn't settle for a forgery and i don't care if you never come to me after you read that book if it keeps you safe with other intuitives all boats rise people are less scared of us so you know that's the kind of thing that frosts me and people need protection because otherwise they're sitting ducks
Tyler:
[1:16:11] Obviously we're going to tell people to buy your book but like what's the the kind of short list these are the tales that you're about to get got.
Corbie:
[1:16:18] Um the tales are
Corbie:
[1:16:23] If they're one trick ponies and get, I have a mnemonic, psychic, P-S-Y-C-H-I-C. That's how to choose a good psychic. P is for professionalism. S is for sharing references. If you don't just go to anybody, you get references from their clients. If we're professionals, we all have several because you want to make sure they don't say the same thing all the time. Um why is you're in charge meaning the psychic is even the best of us are only 85 percent accurate the only one 100 accurate is god and he stopped in phone readings this week c is for charges h is for here i can fix anything for a price what i just told you is in that chapter i is for inappropriate actions c is connections inappropriate actions i'm going to talk about right now in that the psychic should never say that your money, your house, whatever is cursed. So they need to take your will, deeds, stock portfolio, bank statements and bless them for you. You know, those are private things. And you may know your psychic for 20 years. Do you know their cleaning lady? Do you know the person that comes to their house for dinner? you don't if you need something blessed trust me we can do it from a distance
Corbie:
[1:17:50] Second they should never tell you that they know you from a past life and therefore you owe the money or have to give them a how whatever and this came from a good friend of mine um her name was sharon she's dead six years so i could tell the story many years ago she was doing a group channeling she was attending in Washington, D.C., and the person who was channeling must have seen the word sucker printed on her forehead. My friend Sharon, wonderful person, died several years ago, she was at a group channeling in Washington, D.C., and the person at the front of the room must have seen the word sucker printed on her forehead because she stopped and went, Sharon, today is your lucky day. Do you know why? When I was high priest of Ramses II, you were the novice that had me killed, and today we can clear your karma.
Corbie:
[1:18:47] She damn near lost her marriage, her house, and her savings before intervention. I do not care if I figure out that you were Manfred von Riesaffen, the Red Baron, and I was Kurt Wolf, I would not go up to you and say, Herr Rippmeister, so good to see you. And how's the triplane flying? Because it's a hook. You come to me for 20 years, maybe then I said, do you know what I figured out about us the first time I read you? Then we go out for a beer or Third, you don't have to believe the way the psychic does. Remember what I said, I don't care if you believe in Ralph the Wonder Dog. Just know someone up there who loves you, wants the best for you, and is willing to work with you. Notice I'm not even giving it a gender. God, it's way too big for a gender. And the last thing is, if you're coming off a bad relationship and the psychic makes moves on you, that is sexual predation, pure and simple. And I have only this to say. You wouldn't sleep with your psychiatrist You wouldn't sleep with your doctor You wouldn't sleep with your priest Why would you sleep with your psychic We can't keep our ego out of the way So if you fall in love with your psychic Wonderful, get married, have lots of little indigo children But find another person to reach you
Corbie:
[1:20:06] Those are the four inappropriate rules The rest of it, we've talked about a great deal of it Throughout the time we've been on here You give them that Then they know how to choose And then you give them a mnemonic On how they need to prepare And that is answer Accept responsibility for your part in the reading No pop quizzes, no comparisons State your intentions clearly Widen your horizons Evaluate the information and respond to the universe People like mnemonics They like to know that they can have a little cheat card And so that's why it's in there. And there are things about spirit guides. I mean, I've had people say, why did my spirit guides abandon me? They never abandon you, kids. They don't. They say, well, what's the difference between angels and spirit guides? And I say, remember Venn diagrams, math class, the two circles, and there's this little thing in the middle. Well, the Venn diagram, in my understanding, for angels and spirit guides are a donut. Well, the donut is your angel's. You've got one birth to death. It's like they have your name in the back of their tunic, I belong to John.
Corbie:
[1:21:22] Spirit guides grow and change as you do. You don't have the same teachers from kindergarten and PhD. My perfect example is my very first spirit guide was someone that I knew and flew with 100 years ago and who I'm going to trust more than someone that saved my life time and time again. Since then, do I still have contact? Of course there's always that heart affection but i work more with my specific guardian angel who is a higher vibe and is better when i say an exacting task master they don't do this but
Corbie:
[1:22:01] Um, when I'm straying from a path, I can feel it and we discuss it. And they're very honest with me, uh, spirit guide. When you're human, there is still a human understanding. Angels have never been human, no matter what they say. And it's a wonderful life. So they will work with you strictly on a spiritual level. They do not care if you buy the Subaru or the Honda. They really don't. that's not what they're there for
Tyler:
[1:22:32] Yeah it's so funny you brought up a wonderful life because i was i was thinking about it like two two or three minutes ago and i was like i'm not gonna say that right now i'm gonna let her finish her idea and then you literally said well.
Corbie:
[1:22:47] There you go all right so now you're trying to talk about it no
Tyler:
[1:22:50] I mean it's it's a movie and it's a it's a story So it's going to use whatever it needs to do to tell its narrative arc. But like to me, every time I watch the movie, I cry because like the way that the main character like goes through his life consistently paying the price for other people's debts. He's like a Jesus figure, essentially like I'm all interior self-sacrifice until one day it finally, you know, pays off. And then even still he's having the, you know, of the the moment for him it's on the bridge but i mean it in the end of jesus story it's the temptation of the devil in the desert or whatever it's a perfect allegory and that movie is very inoffensive i would say it tells the same story without any of the parts that make people feel uncomfortable for the most part yeah that's what i love about it every single time i watch it and i watch it every year i cry it's just too beautiful but i agree with you like the idea that an angel was once a person or that you know when you die you you get your wings uh after a certain point like i don't i don't think that's the case but i don't know any better than anyone else one of the you didn't you didn't bring this up about the book and all and that's okay but, one of the things that i kind of wrestle with is.
Tyler:
[1:24:16] In science people are always really clear about this like just because you are a scientist in one field doesn't mean that you're good in another field or that you're some kind of fucking expert in something else so like i know a lot about the weather um and i can't tell you shit about biology other than any more than any layman does and there's the phrase like a scientist outside of his field is just as dumb as everybody else and it should be it's the same with anything like if i'll go to my mechanic who only works on you know american cars and ask him how do i fix my subaru or my volkswagen and he's like well i can kind of tell you but it's kind of out of my wheelhouse it's not not 100 accurate the same way as if you brought me a chevy or a ford yeah that's an honest guy versus someone's like i'll fix it and then they charge you a huge hourly rate while they go figure out how to do it um it should be the same way and if you're psychic or not like someone who's a spiritual leader ought to be the same way if you go to a i don't know a pastor of like a non-denominational church with a demon problem that what that guy realistically should be doing is like okay we're not that's not my field i'm gonna go find you like an exorcist and consult with him.
Tyler:
[1:25:39] Because no matter what you feel about the Catholic Church or whatever, when it comes to exorcisms, they're kind of the people who do that.
Corbie:
[1:25:47] Demons are us, yes.
Tyler:
[1:25:52] They're the ones who've done all the research and put forth a structure and such we deal with that. So if you're like, tarot card readers, like, I will come deal with your demon, high propensity chance that she's not or he's not the guy for the job. Not the particular night you need to slay that particular dragon.
Corbie:
[1:26:15] Exactly.
Tyler:
[1:26:16] Ghost hunters, unfortunately put themselves in these situations like every fucking day where it's like, I'm just going to walk in, find out what's going on with this poultry guys.
Corbie:
[1:26:24] I'm like, yeah, I've got a ghost story for you. Sure. To get back to what you're saying. Yes. One of the things I teach my rookies is always have more people in your pocket. For instance, I can do GP. Health stuff, but if you have something serious, I send you to my buddy Stacey Wells. Why? She can literally look into the DNA of your body. She has seen brain tumors people have missed. She saw my cancer before the doctors did. She's fabulous. When it comes to things like entities, demons, et cetera, a couple people. Locally to me, it's my buddy Tiffany Butler. The best bruja I know is out in California. Her name is Katrina Rasbold. She runs Crossroads Occult. She does wicked good work. And I'm using that in the main sense. Wicked. Wicked good. There was a situation where someone was doing some very bad shit to friends. And I was part of that group and I went to her and there is a particular Santa Muerta ritual that she does and honey, within 24 hours, stopped.
Corbie:
[1:27:50] So that's where I would send her. She also does Olympia. Olympia, for those who don't know, is a spiritual cleansing and when I was out there visiting with her in 2019 uh her master class was there and i let them do one on me and i didn't think anything was going to happen oh was i wrong uh cleared so much crap off me that i felt like a totally different person and this is not like you know a cable commercial totally different person layers of brain miasma old ideas had been peeled off that's not what I do me I am your past life expert nobody does cards the way I do yes I can talk to your dead people but it's a little different but I know what is not me and I don't care how much you beg me but I trust you I'll say I can't do it
Tyler:
[1:28:51] My whole life is just referring people to someone else who knows what they're talking about like that's that's what i'm good at i'm like oh i definitely can't fix your email server problem but i know a guy and i'd be willing to make the introduction or whatever.
Corbie:
[1:29:05] Um i that's someone that i call the networking fairy sure networking godfather and that's okay they are useful we are useful you know
Tyler:
[1:29:17] Like somebody comes to me he's like i've got a ghost in my house i really we need to fix that i'm not gonna fucking solve this problem for you but i will definitely point you in the right direction or at least help try my best to get you in touch with somebody who can help you with your problem.
Corbie:
[1:29:30] Can i tell you the reality show ghost story yes
Tyler:
[1:29:34] Please i love reality show ghost.
Corbie:
[1:29:36] You've been retired for several years so i could say my husband used to run an eight building revolutionary war site here in new york 23 years and one of the big ghost shows came because people heard ghosts upstairs. And because the old stone fort was from the Revolutionary War, you would think. And they come up, and you know how you see that scene, where they're all coming and they screech in front of the building. Well, the first thing they did is all of these trucks were from LA, so they took off the license plates and put the Rhode Island plates on, and then they rehearsed that 12 times. And then you had the timestamp at 1.30 in the morning, just 2 in the afternoon, and then they rehearsed it several times. They made so much noise, any ghost would not be heard there. And at one point, they said that the screams that were heard were the rats fighting the pigeons in the belt bar. No. I have no faith in any of the ghost things we see on television. Again, it's the reality show. But are there ghosts?
Tyler:
[1:30:56] Hell yes every genuine like so you watch some of these shows like ghost hunters is probably the most popular one right watch them and you can tell who's there because it's like well this would be a fun adventure in my life but like this is seriously bullshit and then the ones that are like total hucksters that just made their way onto a tv show and talk to them after the fact and like they'll within the realm of their nda will be like yeah i mean obviously that was television and there's things that you can do with a television show that you cannot you physically cannot capture with a camera um barry fitzgerald was on the show i'm a fucking gigantic fan of his and like he was on ghost hunters international and then you know if you go look into what he's doing nowadays it's like legitimate paranormal research like and he's not telling people oh this is your dead grandma or whatever now he's like getting into the the real deep okay this in ireland we call it the fey but this phenomena hates iron and it seems to occur around, geomagnetic anomalies some people call this the spirit grid or whatever you want to say.
Tyler:
[1:32:12] Happens along 37th parallel in a lot of cases um he's approaching it from the point of view as like, i i am trying to do legitimate research yeah but on the tv show it's just like he's just the funny irish guy with a lot of old stories you know like riding in the car and somebody's talking about oh we're going to see dracula's castle it's like did you know that dracula and that's it's fun um.
Tyler:
[1:32:38] That there's nothing I shouldn't say there's nothing wrong with it like the the whole way that that stuff is presented is whatever but like a lot of the people who are on them if they are legitimate you know they're taken advantage of by the lure of like you get to travel the world you get a big fat paycheck you get to make a tv show get your name out there people are going to still be talking about you later when this is syndicated you'll probably get a lot of business from it um and the networking also just being able to connect with other people who are doing the same kind of work with you, as you are. Also huge. But the TV shows are bullshit. It's pro-wrestling. We know this. You said you were approached... Go ahead.
Corbie:
[1:33:19] The thing is, the general public doesn't have the discernment level to see what's real and what's bullshit. That's the saddest thing, but that's why these shows are successful. Now go ahead with what you were going to say.
Tyler:
[1:33:34] I'm just gonna go in a completely different direction since you said that um yeah it's fine it wasn't important if it was important it'll come back up uh, we purposefully i not to put my conspiracy theory hat on too tight but, purposefully don't teach people about this stuff as a society which makes it easier for them to fall for the same old dumb tricks ever if you don't believe me go watch cnn and fox news at the same time flip back and forth between those two channels and like it's so easy to manipulate someone who's not educated on what's being done to them that.
Corbie:
[1:34:15] Is why education has been dumbed down and they're destroying the department of education
Tyler:
[1:34:21] Yeah stupid.
Corbie:
[1:34:22] People are sheeple and that's what they want
Tyler:
[1:34:24] Yeah i'm not even talking about i think we ought to be learning about esoterica, occult knowledge all this stuff but like there's a reason why that's all that's been dumbed down for all of history and that's why we call it esoterica and occult sciences but.
Tyler:
[1:34:40] Something as simple as just teaching people reasoning skills and i this has been like my, pet hobby horse for a while like i'm 30 i went to school in alabama and like you know not the best school system in the world, but I got like a classical education. I knew who was the president during the civil war. Uh, I knew who, if you say the name Charlemagne, I don't think you made something up. Like I have some idea of what's going on with this whole history thing. Um, and then, If you talk to a 23-year-old right now who just came out of an American public school, they don't know fucking anything about jack shit at all. And it's, it's, I've been trying to, like, talk to teachers, like, who can I get that would be comfortable not losing their job talking about this stuff? Even if I have to do a voice changer or something. But, like, what's going on with this whole education system thing? Like, why am I talking to a 23-year-old who literally doesn't know who Thomas Jefferson is or something like that? But if they don't know anything that happened before 9-11 and that they think that's the beginning of history, then I can tell them anything the fuck I want about anything that happened before that and they'll believe it. Or worse, they just have been taught now to think everything's a lie. Every single fucking thing that anyone says, like, allegedly, that's the truth. But, you know, the truth is the earth is flat because I saw it on a TikTok video.
Tyler:
[1:36:08] And it's then you i mean you can get people to kind of like vote for their own demise at that point something as simple as reaganomics like you just get a bunch of people to think that you're on god's side and then sell them on a economic system that ultimately bankrupts the lower class.
Corbie:
[1:36:23] And the other thing is in your time and way back in my time uh you did the work and if you didn't do the work. It was your problem and you had to get better. Now the parents come and berate the teacher. It's all your fault that Muffin didn't get straight A's. You're too hard on her. What are you telling her? Right.
Tyler:
[1:36:44] Muffin's real problem isn't that she's doing poorly in class and not studying. Her problem is that she's going through something deeper within herself, and we need to use words of encouragement to affirm what she's going through.
Corbie:
[1:37:01] And everybody gets an award. That isn't life.
Tyler:
[1:37:04] Yeah.
Corbie:
[1:37:06] That's poor stuff that you and I could go and eat 12 burgers over. I won't say have a beer.
Tyler:
[1:37:13] Yeah, it just doesn't work. Like in the long run, it doesn't. Well, it works for the people who want to have a long term crop of folks that they can manipulate, get to vote how they want, get to control, sell them things they don't need or shouldn't have, whatever it is, because they don't have the reasoning skills, the discernment skills to just make sense of the thing that they're being given. Um so i mean if you want a group of people who want to grow up watching reality tv and thinking that it's real then just don't teach them anything about how to discern whether what that would be, um and it's it's tough like my younger brother he's 24 now and like even some stuff that he says to me sometimes i'm like i send him i send him a conspiracy theory article i'm like look the moon is a hollow spaceship and i was thinking you know that would be funny like haha maybe the moon's a hollow spaceship and he's like that's an interesting theory if you believe in space but it's i'm like oh my god what did they teach you kids in science class like what did you learn and it's not like they taught them the wrong thing i'm like what's the planet between us and mercury and you're like i don't know.
Corbie:
[1:38:22] They don't they're taught not to care part of it part of it is well it's how i explain the difference between a boomer and an elder sure boomers think we had the best life and the best cars and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and why don't the kids do it the way we did and i just looked at them and i said look when we were their age we weren't afraid that we would be shot in school we weren't afraid that the earth would be uninhabitable before we grew up we weren't afraid that we would never be able to afford housing or food um kids today have a much tougher time than we do and so a boomer needs to learn to get off this the stage help them be front stage answer their questions when they ask don't think we've got all the answers because these days kids see no future it's why they don't care it's not any any any good for us anyway you
Tyler:
[1:39:29] Say austin powers right.
Corbie:
[1:39:30] Austin powers yeah yeah so
Tyler:
[1:39:36] He wakes up in the 90s and like one of the first things he says like oh great it's the 90s like this would be awesome they're like hey some things have changed you should know about and he's like oh as long as we're still having you know unprotected sex doing copious amounts of drugs and partying every day with no worry of what the future may hold as a consequence of that i'll be fine and then everyone just kind of like looks around at him yeah oh he's in for a rude awakening but that is true so like i think a lot of people my generation specifically, like the early millennial kind of group, idolized the 60s. We look at Jim Morrison and the Beatles and we're like, they had it all figured out. And eventually you kind of figure out like.
Tyler:
[1:40:24] By the 70s, a lot of this stuff came full circle. By 69, you had Manson, Jim Jones, all this kind of stuff starting to happen. They talk about all the wonderful art, and it's all true. The art, the music, the freedom, the culture, the exchange of ideas that was happening between the East and West, the Age of Aquarius, all that awesome stuff. And they never talk about all the young women who were taken advantage of pregnant, you know, on the streets, fucking homeless, disease running rampant, fuck, don't even get me started on Vietnam veterans no one wants to talk about that stuff.
Corbie:
[1:41:07] Part of it is also, if you look that's when the current rulers started 64 with Goldwater and that's why if you want to bring things back it's going to take us decades I will not live to see it and I know it but I can help plant seeds you know
Tyler:
[1:41:31] What do you think about the go ahead.
Corbie:
[1:41:34] What do I think about the what the
Tyler:
[1:41:36] Age of Aquarius you said indigo children earlier and it sparked my curiosity.
Corbie:
[1:41:42] So are we talking about back when I was um 13 and saw Yellowsliburine for the first time Age of Aquarius or let's
Tyler:
[1:41:52] Start there and work our way up to it yeah.
Corbie:
[1:41:54] Okay um That was when psychic stuff first came out from under rocks. And it was everything for me. Because I knew that this world was not all there was. Loved it. Loved it. To this day. So in 2018, they had the 50th anniversary of Yellow Submarine. And it was a lot of theaters. And I went and saw it. and there was the same magic and I was getting up and dancing and I was crying because it was a time that would never come back. Never. And I saw how the world had become dark and grubby and greedy.
Corbie:
[1:42:44] Astrology is not my strong point. For that, I would highly recommend that you talk to Pat Dumas who is just brilliant and I'll get you in touch with her. But one of the things that a lot of people are seeing is that there is going to be a shift now. And that brings you to, you know, fling it all the way on the side of the football field, the fact that we are at a Pluto return for the United States. It was like this 248 years ago. Well, what was happening then? Oh, the revolution. Which is why a lot of the things are becoming revolting now.
Corbie:
[1:43:28] We have to change. Age of Aquarius was wonderful, but we weren't ready for it then. We didn't, it's like, you can want to be a cook and have all of these ingredients, but if you have no experience of it, you better have a cookbook with you. Because we had all these wonderful ideas, but we didn't have a way of bringing them forward. That's why the other people in the 60s who brought us where we are now got it right. As my husband said recently, it is very difficult to have a revolution by law following the things that you know are right. Revolutions are made to break things down it's one of the reasons I love the fact that Pete Buttigieg has said we cannot go back and build what we had in the 60s we have to, it'll take generations, but build for the 21st century and this time we had better plan not just feel good and hope it gets right
Tyler:
[1:44:38] It was an emotion driven time.
Corbie:
[1:44:41] It really was It
Tyler:
[1:44:43] Lifts out of the tree of life, Tom.
Corbie:
[1:44:46] But emotion is wonderful, but you have to build something. My stepsister, Cappy Wells, brilliant sculptors, when she does a bronze bust, she has a metal, a wire skeleton underneath that the clay goes on top and then the fires it and the bronze, etc. You can't just have this bronze thing. You have to build the skeleton underneath which holds the beauty. And that is what we're going to need to do if we ever get Aquarius Part 2. We have to do the skeleton underneath the structure but we'll hold it up before we think that it's going to last.
Tyler:
[1:45:36] What is an indigo child?
Corbie:
[1:45:38] An indigo child.
Tyler:
[1:45:40] Well, you found out that it's not a rainbow child, and I should never make that mistake again, by the way.
Corbie:
[1:45:44] Indigo crystal and brambos, yes. Indigo children. Some of us, my generation, were called scouts. Came in early. An indigo child does not go A to B to C to D. It goes A to Z to green to Paris. It does not like rules. It has imaginary friends. It is the warrior type. who wants change the crystal child is more like they're from marine county if you saw earth girls are easy that's all good um they're much gentler about things okay and it was hoped that the indigos the warriors would come in and clean stuff up so the crystals could come in and do their work indigos weren't as successful as they needed to be that's why they're still coming in And crystals are those really sensitive, brilliant children. Very. Now, since I never had kids, I'm just the biggest kid in the room. I can't speak from the point of view of a mom.
Tyler:
[1:46:45] Sure.
Corbie:
[1:46:47] But there is a book. That's the other thing about professionals. We have lists of books, people. The one that explains it really well is called The Children of Now. Crystalline Children, Indigo Children, Star Kids, Angels on Earth. It's by Meg Lowy.
Tyler:
[1:47:05] I will make sure that goes in the show notes. Meg Lowy, you say?
Corbie:
[1:47:09] I will send you all the stuff that's on this. I'll send you a live comment.
Tyler:
[1:47:15] Yeah. When you say there's more of them coming in still, where are they coming from? What does that mean?
Corbie:
[1:47:28] Historic brings them. No, seriously. They are souls that come in specifically. There was nothing that said the soul of Paramahansa Yogananda wasn't human. But it was a soul that was more developed based on what it learned outside humanity and other things. You know, people talk about soulmates and twin flames.
Tyler:
[1:48:00] Yep.
Corbie:
[1:48:01] Soulmates are not your one and only. If they were, we'd never get divorced. They're your core team, and we have more than one in my life. For instance, my father was my best friend. He was a soulmate. This husband, yes. Last husband, no. Things like that. Twin flames are the ones you cannot imagine with anybody else johnny yoko umphrey bogart lauren to call people like that but they're not again always love there was a 17 18 year old young lady who met yogananda and immediately became his disciple she was with him she died at age 96 she her name was changed as sri diamanta they were twin flames but there was never anything sexual it was just the connection to do the work, the souls that understood each other better than anything else so as far as indigos, they are a certain level
Corbie:
[1:49:01] Of understanding. People often say, how many past lives have I had? Do I have more than my friend? It doesn't matter. It's also, are you human or other? Writing for ElfQuest, I really learned what other was. And there are people that come to me and they don't feel like they belong here. They long for home. They don't understand a lot of things. And I'll say, okay, I want to give you two words, and I want you to close your eyes and immediately answer to the one that makes sense to you. Human.
Corbie:
[1:49:37] Other. And if they're other, their eyes fly open and they start crying. Somebody sees them. Me, I'm human. This soul comes in human every single time. And interestingly, it always comes, not always, but many times has come in at the end of things on the losing side. Wars of the roses york versus lancaster in the 15th century i was yorkist i was killed on the field um
Corbie:
[1:50:05] Northern arapahoe when uh leader when they were shoved onto the res couldn't do anything to stop it world war one german pilot they lost this time interestingly i came in female and not a fighter and america is lost it will be rebuilt but we've we've lost what we had and i imagine that i came in female and with these abilities to do work i'm not going to be killed on the field but to help get to the other side because i've experienced the loss so many times before um so indigos crystals they know they have extra work down here they've chosen that vibe they've chosen that life path so There are lots more coming because we need them.
Tyler:
[1:50:57] What do you think about Magical Orders and Mystery Schools?
Corbie:
[1:51:03] What do I think about Harvard versus Brown versus University of Rhode Island and RISD? As long as you don't say, because I was in the order of purple unicorns, I'm better than the person who is the green arrow mystery school. They're useful for learning. They teach you ritual and hopefully how to honor the magic. But it doesn't mean that if you don't go there you know i did not go to the arthur finley school for mediumship i can still talk to dead people nobody taught me how to read cards but i am a certified tarot master because i learned through life so the schools are great as long as what they teach is useful true but don't think that means your aura don't stink that's all
Tyler:
[1:52:00] Yeah it's it's interesting even just the freemasons you know split off in the 90s because they were like we don't want girls and then the co-masons were like well we we like girls they're cool they're smart they know a lot of stuff we don't know i remember reading like a alistair crowley fucking hated the co-masons he was like not having anything to do with it but then he went off and, Started the AA and the OTO and did his thing. He got into some less than happy things in his life, as I understand it. But, yeah, I like structure. I should say I need structure. Probably the reason why I went into the Air Force and then running a company makes sense to me and stuff like that. Like being able to give someone a curriculum and delegate tasks works. Um, since the time of uncle Jethro and Moses, at least, but, uh.
Tyler:
[1:53:02] At the same time, like all these schisms between them and the disagreement makes it pretty clear to me that like, okay, there are a lot of different points of view and the esoteric order of the golden dawn or whatever. And ultimately it's like, to me, it's like, where do, where do all these paths cross? The theosophy, the theosophical society specifically, like have their own things that I'm like, well, I don't know about all that, but I like the open communication of like, let's look at all these different ideas and compare them in a. Giving people a place where they can talk about that without fear of being judged or thrown out or excommunicated from the tribe or those are important. Now we live in like a pretty, you and me could talk about stuff on this podcast that if it was in the wrong setting or a different time, we would both be, you know, dragged out of the fucking place and be like, you can't talk about that. Well, why not? Like, because it's the devil or something. And that would be the end of that, that passive life for us. You'd have to come back as indigo kids and try to fix where that got cut off. But for me, that was always kind of the scariest part of approaching these subjects was, what if people think I'm crazy? What if they lock me in a loony bin? What if they don't like it?
Corbie:
[1:54:27] Because I grew up in a very dysfunctional family. money my mother was an alcoholic cross addicted with barbiturates who kept saying i think i'm wonderful and you don't deserve me i
Tyler:
[1:54:37] Know the type codependent yeah.
Corbie:
[1:54:39] And um being told you know more things than i want to go into here but i knew that i was always going to be wrong so it doesn't matter. And interestingly, that's been another psychic theme that I'm going to have to ask my higher self, what were you thinking? Many, many times in my life, I've done everything I was supposed to, and they always found a reason why to yank things away from me.
Corbie:
[1:55:15] The teacher I hero-worshipped in high school blackballed me, so even though I got into Brown, I was not National Honor Society. A dear friend of mine and I did ragtime dancing and loved it. And for fun, we entered a contest. And we were far and away the best. But somebody else won because we were dragged aside and said, you're obviously professionals. You're cheating, so we've disqualified you. In a medieval reenactment group I was in, I was doing some theater. This was for the Arts Award. And they said, well, you're a professional, so you cheat. We're not, you know. I had not acted professionally yet. I just had a degree and other people that had degrees and things they had gotten awards. It's part of the charismatic thing. People will either love you or hate you. And you can not let other people's opinions of you matter because then they drag your life. You don't live yet.
Tyler:
[1:56:15] The problem is that when the other people who have those negative opinions also have authority and power.
Corbie:
[1:56:23] I know. Well, they all did, and they denied me what I deserved. But i learned then that don't expect anything from the world if you want something you are going to have to get it for yourself do not expect other people to appreciate you you do something because you want to do it and not because the reaction you're going to get and that made me a much better intuitive because i didn't watch to see if somebody liked the message i'm just just another way that spirit said we have to shape you in this form
Tyler:
[1:57:00] Medieval Europe was a shitty place to be like the wise crone of the village oh yeah, So, like, I was talking to this guy, Dr. Sledge, who's a scholar of, like, esoteric occult knowledge, you know, throughout the Western world. Like, Western occultism, I think, is actually the word. Esotericism or something like that. And, you know, he's really into the witch trials, the, you know, Christianization of Europe and how all that happened and everything. I was asking him questions about it, you know. and he's he's coming from like a really kind of secular point of view of like you know basically it was just a bunch of women being tortured for no fucking reason because that's a christian's point of view and i'm like i get that but like also they had these belief systems that were being erased on purpose systematically right like it and there's that the what is it the three-faced goddess the the maiden the mother the crone and the crone yep yeah and and just at that time being being the wise old woman who knew things that you're not supposed to know anymore and was passing that wisdom down to the knowledge like you you want to cut the head off the snake when you're moving into a new area getting rid of the old ways and come out with the new ways like take out all the old women they're always the ones who know everything they're glue of a community um exactly right yeah but it's.
Corbie:
[1:58:28] One of the reasons why current the current cop of folks want to totally destroy women's autonomy. They want them barefoot, pregnant, and subservient. Because they know when we have our power, we can stand toe-to-toe with them. They don't like that.
Tyler:
[1:58:53] You reckon that that's like an overall sort of decision from on high? If we can control women, we can control everything.
Corbie:
[1:59:05] Yes. When... You aren't secure enough in your own power to share it. You cut down everything that could get in your way.
Tyler:
[1:59:20] It's very interesting. Yeah.
Corbie:
[1:59:23] And it's sad, but it's the way it is. And, but no, it's only that way in this country. The one thing that keeps me hopeful is I remind myself the entire world is not going this way. America is going through a catharsis but there are other countries that are perfect and normal and are moving ahead to the future wisely competently fairly
Tyler:
[1:59:54] What are some of the countries you think are doing it the right way.
Corbie:
[1:59:58] Oh Canada's one I loved I used to go up there for so many shows I had a b&b that i always stayed at that became my canadian family uh the owners were irish and so i learned to come in and go hello the house and you know immediately everybody's um canada's one um scandinavian countries have a better sense of how to take care of people seems like that no country is perfect yeah but we are in an extraordinarily dark time and it's happened so fast you know the the other i'm just going to call them the other side were like termites and they ate away at the foundation while we just thought the house was fine. And then they got into power and a couple of bites, everything collapsed at once.
Tyler:
[2:01:01] It is interesting. I think a lot of, I think a lot of bad decisions get made oftentimes like as an afterthought or without being like seeing the general, like the long-term repercussions of what that might mean in the immediate desire and like an honest desire to fix a problem that we're actually dealing with. And there's always going to be like kind of a push and pull with that.
Tyler:
[2:01:30] So what's fascinating is, you know, we talk about in America, we don't really have much of a welfare state. And then I spent, like I said earlier, I lived in Scandinavia for a while. And they are the, Denmark is the king of welfare state. They figured that out as far as it'll go.
Tyler:
[2:01:48] And when I first, you know, was there, I'm like, man, this is awesome. Like you know nobody's homeless starving in the streets you know if you need medical care you can get it all that kind of stuff and i i still think that's cool and then we were talking earlier about like rewarding kids in school for even if they're not really succeeding and the dark side of that is that you and i i think if like it's a danish person listening like they'll probably agree with me the dark side of that is that you have a whole generation of people who can't look someone in the eye uh can't talk to a stranger um they they don't know what it's like to struggle at all and so if they're ever faced with a struggle they're immediately overcome by anxiety and an inability to act and so there's got to be like a balance between that we're still finding i think overall and america's on a totally different extreme from this you know we're like, sink or swim, kid, and.
Tyler:
[2:02:53] While it wasn't easy, I am personally really happy that I had kind of had a bit more sink or swim because I don't fall apart when something goes wrong. You know, I don't I don't have like the mindset of, well, if everything I do completely collapses and fails and I fuck myself over and make all the wrong decisions, at least the government will take care of me until I'm back on my feet. And that's nice to know that that option's there. but at the same time it's like if you know that option's there you make decisions a lot differently than you do if you have like the innate self responsibility um so it's it's really really interesting it's one of the most eye-opening experiences of my life is just like immersing myself in that culture and seeing how people think if.
Corbie:
[2:03:35] America was not as completely different universes in terms of the wealthy and everybody else
Tyler:
[2:03:45] Sure i might agree with you.
Corbie:
[2:03:47] One of the reasons we're this bad is because people are hopeless people don't see any way of making their lives better except they see people winning lotteries and you know winning contests things like that
Tyler:
[2:04:02] The joke was that i moved to europe to accomplish the american dream Yeah.
Corbie:
[2:04:07] I get it.
Tyler:
[2:04:08] I get it.
Corbie:
[2:04:09] You know, up until 1980, it was a more reasonable disparity, if you will.
Tyler:
[2:04:20] Sure.
Corbie:
[2:04:20] And so people had hope and did believe that they could achieve and believe in themselves. Now, when they see the law only matters to the rich, houses are only the rich you know everything goes to the rich and we keep getting crushed that's why there is so much rage and the people that can grab the rage and manipulate it even if it's taking the rageful people and making them vote against their own possibilities sure That's the situation So yes Pick yourself up by the bootstamps But for instance You go and you fight in the war You get the GI Bill We'll help you in college Things like that are important Now they want to make sure That there is nothing for anybody Because they want a crushed Dumb Hopeless bunch Of slaves and sheeple
Tyler:
[2:05:30] So, I know you're totally, that's kind of coming circle back to our education discussion from before, but it's still totally relevant. Like, I'm not so convinced that the reality of the situation is as dire as we believe the reality of the situation is. You know like we we think we have psychology used the term like learned helplessness right, so i mean i can speak for myself too i was part of that generation where it's like well we're just not ever gonna buy houses and we're never gonna have kids because like who could raise a kid in this world and i'm just gonna be a wage slave for the rest of my life and whatever and then i like as i just became more open-minded i'm like no i can really totally just make these decisions for myself like you know i i can i can go i can remove myself from this situation that i'm in you know go join the military make that sacrifice or whatever and then come out of that with an education and you know at least at least some financial footing and then you know it took me, longer than you know for my grandmother's generation it was like well i'm 20 now i guess i'll go buy a house and start a family and then for me it was like okay well i did that at 30.
Tyler:
[2:06:42] So i yeah it's it's it's not impossible like i hope people like younger people don't just go get a vasectomy when they're 25 thinking like i'll i'll never be in a position where i could start a family or i'll never be in a position where i could own a home or whatever these are things that we as a country have to address for sure but.
Corbie:
[2:07:01] Do not blame women if they get sterilized because in this country now, it's a crapshoot.
Tyler:
[2:07:10] Uh-huh.
Corbie:
[2:07:12] If, you know, you could die in childbirth or if you have a miscarriage, they'll kill you for murder. This is the most dangerous country in the world for women to have joy. So if they want to sterilize themselves, I have no problem with that.
Tyler:
[2:07:26] There's arguably places in Africa and the Middle East where it's worse, but I totally take your meaning.
Corbie:
[2:07:33] And I love the kind of backbone and grit and strength and mind that you have. There are people in the world who are like that and they're the ones who are going to foment the resolution the revolution resolution is also a good word um to break down what's happening now and rebuild you know they they will be the ones that go from the tower card to the next one
Tyler:
[2:08:01] Sure yeah we're all working towards the universe hopefully at some point but that is you know you need diplomats who can relate to the people on the other side of your argument right so i mean, you is as tempting as it is to be like violently angry at someone who is obviously in power and doing something that is like against your will you still need that person who can go sit in like i I don't know, the Congress building or whatever, and talk to the people on the other side and hopefully work together to come to some kind of resolution. Whereas if it's just completely like, fuck you, fuck everything you think, I think you're evil. Even if that's all true, it's like you'll never get anywhere with that. We'll never reach equilibrium with polarity, right? It doesn't seem to be good. And for the last while, it's gotten bad. Like I left in 2021, 22, something like that. I was like, I'm out of here. And hopefully some things change before I come back. And then I came back and obviously it was like, all right, well, we still have a lot of work to do. Yep.
Tyler:
[2:09:11] See, seeing how, like, it felt like for a long time we were just not allowed to speak our mind at all. Like, if you don't agree with the zeitgeist, your silence shut up, told me, like, don't even say anything, whatever. And it doesn't matter which side of that argument is in control at the time. Just silencing people from being able to say what they really feel is bad. Yeah like and you know you get the the more recent influx because the people on that side of the fence felt like they didn't have a voice at all for a really long time so then they show up in droves and they're like nope we want this and this and this and that then they get everything they want for a while and the pendulum swings back but it's i really do hope we just get to a point where we can all be like yeah we're americans and we're all you know i talked to you know my grandparents and folks from that generation it was like we didn't it was considered impolite to ask someone who they voted for like you just didn't do that wasn't we solved that in the voting booth and we don't fucking have that conversation at the thanksgiving dinner table and now it's like go on twitter and like every thanksgiving is like advertising to young people like how to deal with your uncle who doesn't agree with you or whatever like why do you have to deal with that just there should be sanctuary spaces where we can set those differences aside.
Tyler:
[2:10:35] And if you want to go be part of a group where you can talk about those kinds of things talk about it but that doesn't need to be solved with like um angst i don't think that the solution is to just only anger like bring it bring a hammer at it.
Corbie:
[2:10:50] I agree with that but if you go if you wrote back sure it used to be republicans and democrats they'd wrangle things in congress but then they could go have lunch together
Tyler:
[2:11:01] Yeah if.
Corbie:
[2:11:05] The red is seen talking civilly to the blue or the blue to the red um their primary
Tyler:
[2:11:12] Down race traders you know thought crime 1984 yeah that's.
Corbie:
[2:11:17] That's the problem
Tyler:
[2:11:18] Yeah yeah i just that's why i like having these long conversations where it's just so you can really just kind of like figure out what do you really think you know how do you really feel about this and and like i'm sure if you were if someone were to like listen to every episode of the show they'd be like well tyler doesn't seem to believe in anything and i do have certain things that i'm like i'm not shaking on but no i'm just open-minded like i'm really curious because i might learn something from you today and something from somebody else tomorrow and then like a week ago i had a completely different conversation and the truth for me is probably somewhere in between what you know i'm not just gonna agree with whatever but i'm also gonna have i can have a conversation with a fucking psychic today and a priest tomorrow and a guy who thinks that the world is ran by alien reptiles and learn something from every single one of you yep no.
Corbie:
[2:12:10] I get it yeah i get it you have to be willing to to be who you are i mean i cannot tell you how many times i have done a podcast and when they shut off the mic i go god you're nothing like any psychic i've ever known Nobody talks like you do. I don't know why. Unless they think they have to have an image.
Tyler:
[2:12:34] There's a stereotype. You have an idea in your mind of this is what a clairvoyant person is like. It's like an Eastern European woman with jewels and all this kind of shit. It's the picture. Yeah. Crystals.
Corbie:
[2:12:49] I refer to those as the Madame Hoo-Hahs and the Swami Swellandas. Sure. Sure.
Tyler:
[2:12:56] No and you know go go to eastern europe and talk to people there about what they believe and it's extraordinarily interesting like if you grow up in relatively secular america or something like that and then you go to like the czech republic just just start go to a bar and just start drinking with people like what do you think of the gypsies they'll they'll fucking tell you you know and they They're way more open-minded to magic and outside forces than, you know, you would be led to believe.
Corbie:
[2:13:26] But they will refer to them as Roma, not gypsies.
Tyler:
[2:13:30] Depends on what language you're speaking. Right. They'll refer to them as a lot of other words, too, that I'm not going to...
Corbie:
[2:13:35] No, they will. I know. But over here, gypsy is considered a pejorative.
Tyler:
[2:13:39] I didn't even know that gypsy was a race of people. I grew up, you know, it was like gypsy. Oh, Fleetwood Mac, man. Like, sick. you know, cool and then a.
Corbie:
[2:13:53] Bachelorette party next week and stevie nix is this theme so i'm sure that i'll hear that song a lot sure
Tyler:
[2:13:58] Yeah and and then i was it wasn't until i was around a bunch of like, russian people that i started to hear it as a pejorative term like what do you mean by that like when you say when you say that like who are you talking about like oh the fucking roma people I'm like oh geez like it's like that and it sucks that it's like a racial connotation because it's like it's not like everybody with the last name Popa or some shit is a bad person it's just that.
Tyler:
[2:14:26] That's the the way history unfolded such that you have a group of people who are making a living in that way um that sucks I had one dude tell me his mother was from he was in Czechia and his mother was from slovakia and he was like if i could bleed her blood out of my body i would that's insane maybe you should stop drinking but it's not even as bad like honestly the problems we have against each other in america seem pretty trivial next to like talking in like between european countries and some of the thousand year old problems that they share and have and hold on to you and i'm sure it's worse than you know if you go to iraq you know what's your beef with persia like i'd made that mistake one time like aren't you guys kind of like the same, you know like haven't you guys had babies and stuff across that border for like a bunch of time like huge mistake got yelled at for even bringing that idea up and.
Corbie:
[2:15:31] Until we embrace that idea or is what's down.
Tyler:
[2:15:37] Probably not. As you said earlier, there's got to be the people who are coming along who are the kind of peacemaker type folks. There's the revolutionaries, and then they're like, all right, well, now that you've broken some things, somebody's got to put this all back together.
Corbie:
[2:15:51] The bridge builders. Sure.
Tyler:
[2:15:54] Masons, people who build things with bricks. Maybe they chose that name for a reason. No. Well, thank you very much for your time. We don't have to go the full three hours, but this has been really fun, really informative.
Corbie:
[2:16:08] You're very easy to talk to, Tyler. I've really enjoyed it.
Tyler:
[2:16:13] Yeah, I think we can make sure all your books and your website and all that stuff goes in the show notes and all that.
Corbie:
[2:16:18] Yeah, and definitely TikTok.
Tyler:
[2:16:20] Sure, yeah, we'll put the TikTok link in. Is that on your website too? I'm sure I can grab it.
Corbie:
[2:16:25] What I can do, actually, in my signature, you'll see it, all the things.
Tyler:
[2:16:32] Awesome all right well good luck with your next book and i look forward to your podcast coming back and if you ever have anything new to share maybe when your next book comes around or something like that hit me up.
Corbie:
[2:16:44] As we say in new york we'll talk we're talking you know
Tyler:
[2:16:47] Nos vemos you got it, Thank you very much to the wonderful Reverend Corby for coming on the show and talking about all that stuff.
Tyler:
[2:17:02] Very insightful. It's always great to have all these different perspectives, man. What an adventure. I guess this, I mean, I'm recording it beforehand, but the past couple of months worth of recordings has been. I hope y'all are enjoying the ride. I'm really looking forward to hearing what people say. Discord.inthekeep.com, best way to join the conversation for sure. Uh but also you know like if you're listening on youtube or spotify or itunes or wherever leave comments um yeah amazing thank you to our patreon supporters you're wonderful could not be doing this without y'all's support for real it's uh carried us through the years and i hope that some of you out there who are listening you know if you want to support the show the best way to do so and of course you can do that patreon shit if you would like i'd greatly appreciate it but you know tell a friend spread the word help us get the message out all that stuff it's the best thing you can do for real for real take care of yourself i love you god love you stay in the keep.
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