Bruce Olav Solheim, Ph. D. is an author, history professor, former U.S. Army aviator, and... He regularly communicates with a Non-Human Intelligence (NHI) called Anzar. We delve into a lifetime of paranormal experiences beginning at five years old, the isolation of living with this while serving in the military, working with history students at Citrus College, research with the Close Encounter Resource Organization (CERO), and his relationship with Anzar with whom we take some time to ask a few questions. Bruce's latest book 'We Are The Aliens' outlines his case for alien-human integration through research and personal experience. He also runs Boots To Books, a program for helping veterans transition from service to education.
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Chapters
00:00 Start
4:10 First Experiences with Communication
9:54 Military Background and Experiences
22:14 Managing Psychic Experiences
29:58 Teaching the Paranormal
37:56 The Government's Perspective on Remote Viewing
42:57 Assisting in Hostage Situations
55:53 Transitioning Veterans to Civilian Life
1:04:05 Challenges of the Younger Generation
1:14:55 The Nature of Truth and Disclosure
1:22:00 Anzar's First Encounter
1:43:26 Communicating with Anzar
1:58:27 The Mystery of Don Phillips
2:19:37 Encountering Dark Entities
2:28:01 Comic Book Inspirations
2:34:32 The Legacy of Comic Books
2:39:02 The Connection of All Things
2:44:31 Upcoming Events and Public Talks
Transcript
Tyler:
[0:00] In our research of remote viewing wing capacities, we have learned that when
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[0:04] the viewers see something they don't understand, they explain it in ways that make sense to them. For example, to a viewer who has never seen an actual atomic reactor, what they are sensing can be described as a teapot, both of which are hot and cook.
Tyler:
[0:19] We call this analytical overlay, meaning the mind dynamic process of overlaying something unknown or unrecognized or unfamiliar with the mental image which is recognized. The psychic subject, in remote viewing a site with an atomic reactor, may well overlay the impressions with a teapot or a furnace because these are the memory images which come closest to what is being physically sensed. If you take the time to let the viewer study diagrams of atomic reactors and photographs of them and their surroundings, the next time they encounter one in psychic seeing, they are more likely to identify it correctly rather than call it a teapot. But in general, people do something like this all the time. When they encounter something they do not understand, they tend to interpret it in ways they do understand, and they arrive at an interpretation which really doesn't have much to do with what was experienced. In other words, they reprocess the unknown through what I call reality hoppers and come up with something that fits their present realities, but which may not and probably does not pertain to the actual reality of what they experienced people fill in the unknown with what fits their known the proof here exists in the fact that when five people are shown something which is outside their experience one of them might say that they don't know what it is but the other four might produce four different explanations of what they
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[1:43] saw from penetration by ingo swan.
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[1:48] Music
Tyler:
[2:20] All right. So do you prefer to be called Dr. Solheim or Bruce? Bruce is fine. A lot of students and my fellow veterans call me Dr. B, but you can call me Bruce. That's fine, too. Whatever you feel comfortable with. Dr. B sounds like fun, but I may switch back and forth. We'll see. That's fine, too. Yeah, that's cool. So I guess right now you're promoting the new book, We Are the Aliens.
Tyler:
[2:48] That is correct and and as much as i can yeah uh that and i do uh i have some comic books out too you know the latest one is gig line they're all inner interconnected you know all the work i do so comic books are in well except for gig line that's uh that's autobiographical but all you know the snart comics and uh dr jekyll alien hunter they're all fictional but yet there's real stuff in there so it seems to be a really smart way to talk about these subjects i've known a few like paranormal investigators who do the same thing like it's all yeah fiction but it's based on real experiences so that i don't have to deal with the you know pushback about some of these things and and people just are more open-minded to consume it like i always thought zachariah sitchin should have just published his stuff as a fictional novel and been done with it Then he wouldn't have to have argued with anyone.
Tyler:
[3:43] Yeah, no, I understand. And I do both, you know. I mean, I let it all hang out with my nonfiction and also in the fiction, too. So people can—I think it broadens the spectrum for who's going to maybe listen to a couple of things and hopefully help them in some way. So that's the idea. Well, let's get started with—let's just go all the way back to the beginning.
Tyler:
[4:07] And we've got a lot of time here, so we'll just work our way through it. All right. So when was the first time that you started to feel like you were in communication with something?
Tyler:
[4:19] The first experience, I was like five years old. It was in northern Norway on an island called Onda, which is 200 miles above the Arctic Circle. Yep. We were visiting my grandmother. We lived there for nine years. I got very, very sick, and they thought I was going to die. And I was in my grandmother's kitchen in this old country house that I still own, by the way, and in this little day bed that old people use so they don't have to climb the stairs to take a nap.
Tyler:
[4:52] And I was crying, and my parents were there, and my relatives in the little village were there, and they're all saying, oh, this is not good. And I was crying and thought I was going to die. Couldn't move my arms or legs. through my head, I was totally, and I had a high fever. Everybody kind of left the kitchen. I fell into a sleep, but I woke up and, uh, there was a bright light up in the ceiling. And it was warm and I was looking at it and I remember I felt like everything was going to be okay. I stopped crying. I felt fine. And then I fell asleep a little bit. Next thing I know, I woke up and my grandmother and my mother were in the kitchen and I jumped up and started running around and they said, it's a miracle. And I said, I saw this bright light and, you know, I just as a child would describe it, just a bright light. It was warm. I knew everything was okay. And there was no bright light, obviously, that they could see.
Tyler:
[5:43] And they said, oh, it's your guardian angel. It's your guardian angel that healed you. It's a miracle. And so I just accepted that in those religious terms. Guardian angel, that's what it was. Made sense to me because it made sense to them. And it really started with that because I think an experience will open things up for you to more experiences. So that's the first thing I remember, although I think there were things before that. I just don't have a conscious memory of it. And then things started happening randomly and frequently, paranormal things, everything from hearing the voices of people who passed on to ghost experiences to telepathy with my mother, who was very psychic. She wasn't a practicing psychic, but she was an amateur psychic and, um, she read all the ESP books and all that, you know, and, uh, we used to practice with playing cards, reading each other's, uh, thoughts and sending and receiving. Uh, and we do it until my dad came in the room and he'd tell us to put the cards away. It was foolish, was not right what we were doing. And she'd just wink at me and put the cards away and then do it again when dad wasn't around. So that's, uh, so that was kind of my training. And I remember explaining things to little kids in school when I first started in kindergarten, and they weren't accepting of it.
Tyler:
[7:07] In fact, the teacher told me not to talk about things like that. It was wrong. So I went home, told my mom, and that's my first lesson about it was, yes, it's real, but you have to pick the setting in which to talk about it. And that kind of set things for the rest of my life, kind of why I was more quiet about it, except with certain people. Right. But that was the first experience that kind of launched the whole thing.
Tyler:
[7:31] That mother-son bond is really, really strong. Yeah. Very well documented. I don't know if you've heard the recent podcast, The Telepathy Tapes with Kai Dickens. I didn't hear that. She's doing some really interesting research on non-speaking autistic children and their psychic telepathic bonds with their mothers, with other people as well, but just really diving into that full force and has raised a lot of money to do the research Because that seems to be one of the big things is that no institution wants to touch this stuff except, you know.
Tyler:
[8:07] Behind closed doors or, you know, black budgets, that kind of thing. But it never gets talked about in the public sector. In polite society, right? Right. They're afraid. They're afraid because they know it's real. They suspect, well, they know it's real, but they don't want to accept it. They don't want to risk their careers. I mean, I was the same. I didn't talk about it because I experienced with my teacher in the military. I didn't talk about it because I didn't want to be ridiculed or lose my security clearance or my flight status when I was a pilot. Right. When I worked at Boeing as a defense contractor, I had a top secret clearance. You can't talk about this stuff. Otherwise, they're going to put you on a mental hold. Next thing you know, you lose your job. And in academics, they're so stodgy. You know, it's like, you know, you can imagine going through a, like when I got hired as a professor where I am right now, you know, if, if they would, you know, in most interviews, they always say, is there anything else or other skills you'd like to mention? I'm not going to say, well, yeah, I can talk to dead people. How's that? You know, you're not going to mention anything like that. So I, I didn't, I just kept it to myself, documented all my experiences. And it wasn't until 2016 when I had a very profound experience with my friend, Gene, who had passed on like a month before.
Tyler:
[9:30] In September of 2016. So in October of 2016, he came to me in a vision and he said, now it's time.
Tyler:
[9:37] The time is right to tell your story and you should put it, you can write a book and the book should be called Timeless. And I said, timeless. And he said, yeah, because that's where I am. That's where we all are.
Tyler:
[9:51] There's no past, there's no future. It's all just happening right now. And which perfectly explains the quantum world, you know, and what a lot of quantum physicists think is going on in with reality. But, um, so I said, okay. And I'd set off publishing all my stories that I'd been collecting and I haven't looked back. So, and, and that fits in nicely with what the New York times article in 2017, uh, by, uh, Ralph Lubenthal and the New York times and, uh, you know, the UFO and then the other stories came out and it's all connected, you know? So, uh, it just wasn't, uh, the timing wasn't right really until then, but now there's, you can't, you can't stop it. It's just, it's going to keep going. So.
Tyler:
[10:36] You were a helicopter pilot in the army? Yeah, I was, uh, I did six years in active duty, two years reserves. Uh, I was first a jail guard in Germany and I had some weird experiences in Germany. Um, my wife and I at the time, uh, and she was also in the army. I worked in a jail. I got out, was in the reserves, went to flight school, went back in on active duty, went to flight school, became a helicopter pilot, went to Fort Bragg, 82nd Airborne. And then I had some weird experiences there too. And then in April of 86, I got out.
Tyler:
[11:15] So, yeah. And then as fate would have it, my current wife is a helicopter pilot too. So I've kind of come full circle there. She wasn't in the military. She was like work for the police and the news and tours in Hawaii. And so we're, that's how we first connected was she sensed I was a pilot because I knew a lot about aviation. So, and then that's how we hit it off.
Tyler:
[11:41] Yeah, I was the weather forecaster at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base for four years. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I got to work with a lot of Army pilots, especially helicopters coming in and out of that area. All over the Western United States because the hub there, the Operational Weather Squadron does the whole Western, CONUS, and then South America. Oh, that's very cool. That's very cool. Well, you guys are very valuable. I was never good with the radios like when my wife Ginger and I flew. We flew cross-country. We were delivering a helicopter from, uh, here in Southern California to Fort Lauderdale. And, uh, I said, I, I like flying, but I don't like being on the radios. Cause I, it's, it's like a skill set. She's very good at, at all the stuff you, especially in like a complicated airspace, like LAX, you know, which is insanely complicated and very dangerous, you know? And, uh, but yeah, I, I just, um, I appreciated everything you guys do and the weather folks and, you know, getting the proper weather, that'll save your life.
Tyler:
[12:43] My son, my eldest son's in the Air Force still. He's been in 25 years. All right. So, yeah, he's a master sergeant. He's in the reserves now, but he did do active duty. But he's getting ready to retire out of the reserves. And he works, he actually works at a very interesting place at the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson. He has a very high security clearance. he's a contractor uh works on black box stuff that he can't even tell me about you know i tease him about it you know i said okay so how are the aliens doing over there and he just laughs you know yeah so it's fun but uh yeah so we're a military family my brother was in the air uh he.
Tyler:
[13:29] My dad was in the Norwegian Navy, so it's generational.
Tyler:
[13:33] Was it with you, generational, military? No, I think it skipped a generation. Like I had, my great grandparents were the World War II generation. So all of them, you know, when it served, either in Germany or Japan, I think on two different sides of the family. And then, you know, my grandfather's generation, we had like my uncle or great uncle was in the Coast Guard. Another one was in the Army and my grandmother was in the National Guard.
Tyler:
[13:58] My dad didn't serve. I don't think he could, medically, he couldn't go into the Army. But then, yeah, I ended up joining the Air Force when I was 20 years old. Yeah. Yeah. I went in to be a linguist, and that didn't work out for me. I still study linguistics, but there was no way. In Monterey? Yeah, Presidio, Monterey. I was there, Defense Language Institute, because when I stopped flying, I went off of flight status, and I said, I don't want to do this for very personal reasons. Uh, but anyway, I, I got transferred to the Defense Language Institute was learning Korean and, uh, and I was going to go to Fort Huachuca for, uh, uh, interrogator school. Oh yeah. And, and I said, okay, I'm done. I kept having premonitions of what was going to happen and I said, okay, that's it. And being a warrant officer, I could, I could resign, you know, rather than have to do a tour and, you know, so I, you know, I got honorably discharged, but I resigned. So. Kind of a conscience, a conscience kind of thing. I realized I wasn't in the right place doing the right thing. So who knows what would have happened had I stayed in, I don't know.
Tyler:
[15:04] Yeah. I always had a lot of apprehension. I knew I wanted to serve, but I just like, the timing, I joined in 2016 and it was like ISIS was the thing. So then I got sent directly to Iraqi Arabic school and I was learning to speak Iraqi, knowing full well what was about to happen. Right um and yeah then i ended up actually washing out of that program the air force was like you're really smart you're just dumb at this so go do meteorology i'm like okay i could do that that's it wasn't it wasn't your destiny had nothing to do with intelligence it's exactly what you knew what you needed to do yeah and and and your conscience was pulling out it pulled at me you know because i started having visions as a helicopter pilot because i was in a uh i wanted to be a medevac pilot and I probably would have stayed in had they put me in what I wanted, but they sent me into combat arms. I was in air cavalry, you know, I mean, just the most insane guys, great guys, but you know, their mission is, you know, kill tanks, you know, find the enemy killed. And I just said, well, I don't, I know I want to be taking people out of the battlefield, rescuing them. I don't mind risking my life, but I don't want to take a life. And I remember a friend of mine said, uh, you don't belong here, dude.
Tyler:
[16:19] You don't belong here. You ought to think about that. And that really made me think. Um, and I even had a chaplain say, I talked to a chaplain, army chaplain, and I said, I'm really having doubts about this. I don't want to take a life. I want to rescue a life. And he said, uh, he put his arm around me, said, son, uh, don't worry. You'll be killing godless communists. Yep. And I thought, no, I don't think so. From And of course, the Russians were the thing. And I think they're pretty religious people. I don't think they're godless.
Tyler:
[16:50] And so anyway, it just, all of that kind of made me realize that that wasn't the place for me. I'm very pro our military. We need them. My son's in the military, like I said. But, you know, we have to be judicious in our application of power and use of the military force. And anyway, that goes down a whole philosophical rabbit hole there. I totally understand because I did the same thing. It was like, yeah, I've been told you're going to, you're going to be involved in it directly in the kill chain with the, these horrible animals over there. And then I, the first thing I did was read the Quran. And then I was like, I don't think so. I don't think that's what this is all about. And then I started, cause all the teachers are from Iraq and they're telling you what they think. And as I get to know them, I'm like, these are not, I don't think these are bad people. I think that those particular bad guys are a bad thing, but we're getting way too involved in this. And it never sat well with me.
Tyler:
[17:48] Yeah, it's like Nietzsche said, you know, the German philosopher Nietzsche, he said, be careful when fighting monsters lest you become a monster yourself. Correct, yeah. I think I just heard someone say that yesterday. It might have been Alex Friedman or someone. Always comes back to me all the time.
Tyler:
[18:06] So, I mean, you said you had some experiences even while you were serving still, like, was this a consistent thing throughout your younger years? It was random, but frequent. I had no control of it. I still don't claim to have control. I claim I can manage it better through spirit walks and understanding kind of a little bigger picture as I have more experiences. But very frequent, uh, uh, but random and, uh, sometimes not at good times. Like, uh, you know, the telepathy thing is not handy when you have no management of it because like I, I avoided big parties cause I could not stand the, I mean, not only the chatter, the, the vocal chatter, but the internal, uh, and it's not that you hear people's thoughts, it's you hear their intentions, you know, you feel their intentions and it was very confusing and it's, I compare it to an autistic child, the too many sensory stimulations and I couldn't stand it. So I would sometimes go screaming out of the room. People are, what's wrong with you? And I just, I can't take it. And then I learned how to adapt by, if I have to go to a party, I'll go to someplace, I'll get one or two people and I will zero in on them and have the most intense conversation you can imagine and then excuse myself and leave. That's, that's the way, you know, so I'm present, but I'm not.
Tyler:
[19:29] You know, spread out or whatever, listening to all this stuff or feeling all this stuff, which is overwhelming. So I can really sympathize with autistic people. I know what they're, and I have a, and maybe this, the researcher you're talking about goes into this, but I think autistic people or people that have certain mental illnesses like schizophrenia, they might be extremely psychic and not even know it. I told that to a psychiatrist once who had never considered that for some reason. And he looked at me and he said, that is a very frightening thought. And I said, well, I think it might be true. Historically documented. I mean, schizophrenic people are ostracized in the Western world, but they used to be the shaman or the medicine man in the tribe or the priest, whatever. They were the people who could get on that level with you. It's like, oh, you're just now seeing and hearing the voices.
Tyler:
[20:25] I've been doing that every day for the past, my whole life. So, yeah. It's like in the, in the DSM five, you know, if you go, well, when I went to the VA for healthcare, cause I'm officially a disabled veteran or whatever, but the, you know, when they do the mental intake or whatever, you know, they have this little form and it says, do you see people who other people cannot see? Do you hear voices that other people cannot hear? And I looked at the nurse and I said, I'm going to check no on your boxes here, but just so you know, yes, I do. And I have my whole life. And she looked at me like, what are you talking about? And I said, but I'm going to check no here because, you know, I've been told and I've read the DSM-5, that is the very description of a schizophrenic. And if you get pigeonholed or boxed into that, you don't know what's going to happen. It's almost like we're trying to control those people.
Tyler:
[21:17] Yes. and keep them from telling us what they're talking about. I mean, obviously there are people who get lost in it, but I've always had the mindset of, If anyone were just completely overwhelmed all the time, whether what they're seeing or hearing is true or not, that's a problem. Obviously, that needs to be dealt with. If you're hyper telepathic, hyper psychic, hyper empathetic, which I think is more than my experience, just the constant overwhelming nature of being surrounded by other people's emotions and like being around someone who's sad or angry. And then you start to pick up on that yourself and it takes you down with it. So I imagine if you're seeing people or hearing voices or whatever it is all the time, that would drive you crazy, regardless of whether or not the condition you have is by definition crazy.
Tyler:
[22:07] Exactly. You have to keep one foot in the everyday interface that I call it
Tyler:
[22:12] of reality, which my wife helps me with that. My wife, Ginger, is very practical and a very stable, practical person. And I will tell her some amazing experience I've just had. And she'll go, that's really cool. But, you know, we got to get out there and do this thing or that thing. You know, something very grounded, you know, and that helps me. If I was married to somebody who was also having visions and seeing UFOs or whatever, it might not be good. It might be you can never quite get grounded and then you end up, you know, pigeonholed either a nut job or mentally ill. And, and, you know, so, but I, I, I agree with exactly with what you're saying and we should, uh, we should value these people and help them and, and try to bring them back a little bit, uh, to where they can function. And then, and a lot of them can, they can function. And, uh, but I think a lot of, you know, the, the idea of being on the spectrum, you know, is, uh, is a term that's used a lot, uh, whether it's, I guess, Elon Musk, you know, what does he have?
Tyler:
[23:17] Asperger's, right? Sure. And I know he's not real popular nowadays, but there's a lot of folks who are genius level and, you know, who have, you know, they are on quote unquote on the spectrum. So, yeah, so they, people have a lot, everybody has something to offer. It's just trying to find out the modality, you know, the way to get it out there. More than anything, I think that everyone just deserves to be heard out. Yes. Just because what they're saying sounds crazy doesn't mean it's not worth listening to what they have to say. And maybe you need to help them with their reasoning skills. That's quite a strong possibility. I mean, I have people I talk to all the time who are clearly on the genius level, 140 plus IQ type folks. And it's just like you're focusing on all the wrong things. You're getting all of the dots right on your little board with your red yarn everywhere. and then you're coming to a conclusion that is not the sum of its parts. Right, right. And that's something you can help with, but I don't think it's helpful to just tell people to shut up or that what they're thinking is crazy because...
Tyler:
[24:27] You don't know. It might be that they're on to something. How many times throughout history have we had someone who's like, I think Jupiter's got a bunch of moons up there. And then they're like, nope. And also, I think the Earth is going around the sun. And they told that guy to shut up. And he was right. And partially from intuition and not just from observation.
Tyler:
[24:46] Right. I love the line in the movie Oppenheimer where he's talking to, I forgot who he was talking to. But anyway, he said, uh, one of the famous physicists, I can't remember who it was, but anyway, in the movie, he goes, uh, uh, he tells Oppenheimer, he said, uh, yeah, these people know the physics, they know the math and maybe you're not a great in math. Cause I guess Oppenheimer wasn't the greatest in math. He says, but you can hear the music. Exactly. I was thinking of the same, as soon as you brought up Oppenheimer, I'm getting the same line. Yeah. That's one of my favorite lines. There are people who can read the notes and play, play the song. And then there's people who can hear the music. Yeah. They can hear the music. And Miles Davis, I saw an interview with him and they were talking about him and he said, do you like hear the music as you're, you know, composing? And he said, oh yeah, I hear it. You know, in his Miles Davis way, it's so cool, I can't do it. But, you know, yeah, I hear the music. He said, I'm hearing it right now. It never stops. You know, that's a genius. You know, he's drawn that from the ether. You know, he's drawn that from what's all around us all the time, if you have access to it. And that's what they said about Mozart as well, that he just, you know, he'd have the whole symphony in his head and it was like a chore to have to put it down on paper. Like, that's the hard part. And, but you see that with kids, like, I think every really smart person in school goes through math class at some point and the teacher's like, show me your work.
Tyler:
[26:07] And that the hard part is that I have to prove to you that I had this thought. Like I had the thought, I knew what the right answer was. You want me to show you how I got there. I don't think you would understand it because when I do put it on paper, you tell me it's wrong. even though I'm right.
Tyler:
[26:22] And I've seen so many different versions of that, you know, where someone's like trying to understand the process by which you got there, which is important. I mean, to replicate. But some people clearly are just in more intuitive brain. They can just get there. Yeah. And they might not exactly be able to mechanically explain it, but it's true nonetheless. And sometimes it takes other people time to catch up to, well, how'd you get there? I don't understand how you get there. But, you know, and yeah, so I value other people, what they can teach me. I think everybody you meet, whether it's my meeting you right now,
Tyler:
[26:59] there's a special reason for that. That's opening something in my mind that's going to take me in a different direction, perhaps, to explore something and maybe vice versa. I always feel like other people have things to teach us. Even if it's, you know, like people, the worst kind of snobbery is intellectual snobbery. And you encounter that in academics. It's so terrible. One of the smartest people I ever met did not even finish high school. He was, you know, in community college where I teach. It's open access, right? People can get in. And this guy was so smart and he had got his GED or whatever. And this guy was so intelligent and yet he had no credentials or whatever. And that's what people are looking for, to open doors for jobs and so forth. Unless you're very lucky and somebody in a position of power recognizes it and pulls you in.
Tyler:
[27:51] But it's a shame. And like when I was given presentation, even within, if you have the credentials, then there's a pecking order within the credentials. Like I was given a presentation at an American Historical Association get-together. I think it was in Minneapolis many years ago. And the panel was announced. I was on this panel and the moderator said, okay, here's Dr. So-and-so from Harvard, Harvard educated so-and-so from Yale. And then they came to me and they said, and here's Bruce.
Tyler:
[28:24] I was from Bowling Green State University. I mean, who cares? It's a mid-level, it's a good school, but mid-level, nobody, you're not going to get in the door to a major university with that degree. I didn't really care because I like community college because I teach, Everybody I teach is a salt-to-the-earth person, 65% Hispanic, mostly lower middle class. They work, they have families, they're real people, like the people we serve with, you know, like in the military that I served with. So that's my mission, you know, and if I got a job at, you know, some prestigious university, I probably wouldn't like it. And in fact, I did teach at a private, uh, university, uh, at Pacific Lutheran University, very expensive up in Washington. And all the, all my students were like the children of very wealthy people, ambassadors, you know, stuff like that, because who else could afford it? And, uh, they didn't like me and I didn't like them. I didn't get along. I mean, I tried to get along with them and some of them it was fine, but a lot of them expected me to act like their fathers or their mothers. You know, the high society thing. And I, my parents had sixth grade educations. I was the first one to go to college. You know, I, I was in the military, all that stuff. So I, I, it was hard for them to relate to me the way I was, the way I was.
Tyler:
[29:49] And so I, that was not my, my place. And I finally, I got a job at community
Tyler:
[29:54] college and, and I've been there, I've been here 28 years. So, and, uh, I love it. I still love it. I could retire, but I keep going. You know, when I, When I said earlier, I don't care, you know, what the administration thinks in my college, but I do really care because I want to keep teaching.
Tyler:
[30:11] But I, you know, they're not going to get rid of me. They can't get rid of me. Right. I mean, you work for someone who respects you enough to. Yeah. I mean, they allow me to teach a paranormal personal history course. That tells you that they're open to what I'm doing. They wouldn't allow it because that has to go through the board of trustees and the president and all that to get approved. And it got approved. And I started in 2018 teaching that course. And then there was a break during COVID because all my students said, we need to do it in person. It's an in-person thing. We can't do it online, which is true. It would be very difficult to do a paranormal course online. But um so now we're doing it again and a lot of the people uh are still there and and because it's community ed so it's not for credit they keep coming back they'll take it over and over and over again um because i change it up bring in new guest speakers and stuff but uh but i i did get a credit course approved because there is a paranormal course available at ucla so i use that I had to piggyback off of that so I can offer it. So it already has accreditation and stuff and, uh, or it's accredited and, uh, but they're delaying it another year before I can actually offer it. So I can offer it to younger students who need the credit for transfer, you know, as humanities credit or whatever.
Tyler:
[31:37] Um, so yeah, so it's, it's, uh, it's, it's quite a journey. I was going to ask you something about when we were talking about people who, you know, think up here and try to try to get it, get it out there. Have you ever talked to Jack Sarfati, the physicist? Would you like to talk to him? Yeah. If you could put us in contact, that'd be great. I will. He's a quantum physicist.
Tyler:
[32:01] He, he, I like Jack and I've been on a thread with him, like an email thread with him and a number of other people. He is great. And he has, he's kind of outrageous. He's very arrogant, but yet he's helpful to understand what's going on. And he has a lot of connections. And, uh, I think you would enjoy talking with him. Um, I know you have, well, you must have some of us, I mean, being in, in, in, uh, in weather and stuff, you must have a, you know, you have a science background, so that'll help. He has trouble with non-scientists, you know, like when i throw ideas at him it's like you're not a physicist you're not a scientist you know so um but i'm just i was a really rigid yeah totally 100 by the numbers when it came to thinking and reasoning or anything to do with paranormal stuff i i was always open to the idea that it existed because my mother was really psychic and still is and it was like people talked about this around me and I just didn't have these experiences so I was just closed-minded about it I'm like no way and then I would be the one in the room arguing like yeah but there's no evidence like show me something like any you know and then over the course of life and years and you know things happening I think for me it was kind of like the Saturn's return deal like I got around 27.
Tyler:
[33:22] Became open-minded all of a sudden like ah yeah I'm being really really stupid because I'm just demanding that everything has to be inductive instead of deductive. That's, that doesn't even make sense. Why have I been doing it? I've been trained to think that way, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, uh, you know, Jack's our fight, he does, he's opened all this stuff because of his own experience, but, uh, everything he has a, uh, you know, he says, oh, it's simple physics, you know, and so it's like, okay, simple to you, but maybe not to 99.9% of the people. So he's, he's way up here and he expects you to jump up there with him, but, uh, and he's cantankerous as hell. I mean, he is, you know, but he's, he's, I, he's playing an important role. So I, you know, I try to, if I can, you know, turn you on to a couple of people, I got a lot of other people I can mention to you. I'll, you know, like privately communicate with you. I can, that, that I think you'd enjoy speaking to. I'd love that. Yeah. I'm always open-minded. I think it was, I mean, your publicist had reached out to me about several authors that are kind of in the same realm. Yeah, Mickey.
Tyler:
[34:31] Mickey Mickelson. Shout out to Mickey. Yeah, great guy so far. Yeah, he is. He is a good guy. And yeah, so I was just like, yeah, this is like a gold mine.
Tyler:
[34:40] I'd love to talk to all these people. Just send them on over. No problem. Yeah, I belong to an organization called CERO, which is the Close Encounter Resource Organization. They changed it from research to resource, so they don't sound too, you know, academic. And I know all those people. I've been in that organization. You got people that are professional people. Like, you might have heard, like, Terry Lovelace, who was in the Air Force when he had his dual abduction experience. And then Yvonne Smith, who's been a hypnotherapist for, like, 35 years. You know, J. Allen Hynek?
Tyler:
[35:17] They, uh, yeah, I know who he is, but I, I don't know if they, any of them met him that I'm not sure of. Uh, I know they, they, uh, Yvonne, who's the president of Ciro was friends with, uh, was it Stanton Friedman? Was that Stanton Friedman? The scientist, the nuclear scientist guy.
Tyler:
[35:35] And, uh, all the other big names in, uh, you know, in ufology, John Mack, she knew, you know, she's been around, you know, obviously John Mack's been gone for a while, but, but, uh, anyway. So yeah those people there's some really good people there uh oh who's the guy who was at uh at the air force base when the the nukes were shut down and he went public with it um he's part of zero too oh god now i can't remember his name anyway it's terrible but uh yeah so i'll put you in touch with those guys i think you'd uh uh men and women that are in that group that are really nice people uh an attorney who's a friend of mine who's part of that who uh he is working with some i can't i don't know how much i can say he's working with some of the whistleblowers i'll just put it that way and then i don't know how much he can say but anyway so there's some you know highly placed people that are doing stuff but a lot of it's under the radar and the big The push is that, you know, why don't more people, why do the people, people in power in Washington, why are they, don't they want to talk to experiencers? They've been talking to, yeah, if you're a pilot or you're a scientist or you're a government person, they'll talk to you.
Tyler:
[36:51] But they don't want to talk to everyday people who've had incredible experiences that are legitimate, that are real. And, uh, I think part of it is out of fear. You know, it's like.
Tyler:
[37:02] Well, yeah, I, you know, I have a feeling they're monitoring the situation, trying to find out when that's going to happen. But, um. You've been conditioned by the media to think of people who have close encounters as like a hillbilly and bib overalls with a beer in his hand. And he's like calling into coast to coast AM. I seen one just, that's what we've been told. And then, you know, over the past couple of decades, I think, uh, with, and I think a lot of this is, I know too much about the military to believe anything that they say publicly. So I think a lot of the stuff that we're getting on Joe Rogan and whatnot, or are people who are put there to do a job by military intelligence. I can't prove it. Disinformation missing. Oh, for sure. Yeah. You know, like the whole idea of,
Tyler:
[37:52] well, you know, the government doesn't acknowledge that we use remote viewers anymore. That was, you know, it didn't work out, whatever. And you talk to everybody who was, whether it was Lynn Buchanan or any, you know, who's I'm friends with, any of those people, they'll tell you, of course they still do it. And I can, I just recently was able to say it. I haven't signed an NDA and I'm not, I don't have a security clearance, so I'm free to talk. And that's important for you to know that since you're military and you understand that.
Tyler:
[38:24] I have a friend of mine who works for one of the agencies and he's, well, I can't really say what he does. But anyway, he needed some help. He's in the Middle East and there was a particular Iranian general. I don't know if you remember this story where the guy, he screwed up and he disappeared for a while and they were trying to find him. And it was very important for him to find this guy and what was going on. And, uh, he said, and he knew what I do, you know, I can communicate and do remote viewing. And, uh, he said, could you help me? And I said, sure. I'll help you. He's a friend of mine. So, okay, I'll help. And, uh, so I got information, I gave it to him and it was correct. Right. I mean, it was like 95% correct, which is pretty good. Like if you get 95%, if you get 50% correct, that's, that's good. And so, and then I said, well, I can help more, but I only, I don't want to help, you know, like I said, I don't want to, you know, target people for assassination or something, but I want to help rescue people. And he said, well, how about the hostages, the ones in Gaza? And I said, yeah, I'd like that whole thing to end. I'd like the innocent people in Gaza to be okay. I want all the hostages released. Yes, I will help. And so he said, okay. And then like two weeks later, I got a phone call.
Tyler:
[39:48] And probably know where I'm going with this. I got a phone call and this person said, my name is so-and-so. And I could tell it was a fake name because the way they said their name, it wasn't right. That's not how you say it. Well, that's how you say that name, but you're not saying it with conviction. And they said, yeah, we've been told that you can help us. And I said, well, who are you? I said, are you USG? That's what I said, USG. And they said, yes. And I said, okay. And then they suggested we meet so I could give them this information that I had. I told them what it was about. I had grid coordinates, you know, of the location. I had the condition. I had what was going on with them, their medical. I had all that stuff I had drawn down. And I said, I can pass that on. And they said, well, we can meet in this coffee shop nearby where I live. And I said, I don't think it's the right setting for this information because we don't know who's in that coffee shop. I don't even know who you are. You could be somebody, an agent of disinformation. You could be a foreign agent. I don't know who you are, you know, and you obviously know who I am. And so let's meet in a secure facility. So we met in a SCIF.
Tyler:
[41:04] And I think most of your listeners know what that is, but just in case, it's a secure compartmentalized information facility. Okay. Basically, no electronics, no recording devices. Yeah. Can't bring your cell phone in or whatever. And it ended up being in an agency building, secure building. So I met them and there was two of them.
Tyler:
[41:29] I won't tell you which agency, but I can tell you this. One was an agent and one was an officer. So that kind of gives you a clue about who are called agents and who are called officers. The agent had credentials, the officer did not. So that kind of gives you an idea who that was because they don't show it to anybody. So, uh, and then I spent an hour and a half talking to him, told him everything I had. And then I said, partway through, I said, I hope you guys don't think I'm nuts, you know, cause I told him how, uh, you know, the sources and methods that I use. Sure. And, uh, which we can get into if you want to. But anyway, so I passed on the information. Uh, they said, thank you. And I said, I know you're probably not going to be able to debrief me or whatever, but could you at least send me a note or something, a text or just a thumbs up that, you know, everything went well. And they said, sure. And then I never heard from him again. I tried contacting that contacts now dead. It's gotten, you know, I'm sure it was a burner phone or whatever. And then, uh, uh, but two weeks after we met, uh, the first hostage American hostage was released. I don't know if I played a part in it. I have no idea if it was, you know, some small piece, as you know, in intelligence, it's all this thousand sources of stuff that they piece together in the postal, right? So two weeks later, one hostage was released. That was the older gentleman, Keith Siegel. Four weeks later, Siggy Dekelchen, the younger guy, was released.
Tyler:
[42:57] And then recently was Eden Alexander in May. So the three remaining American hostages have been released. I don't know, and I had information on all of them. Now, I don't know if anything I said helped, but they took me seriously. My spirit sources that I talked to, I call them my spirit family and my star family. They said, oh yeah, it helped, and they took it seriously. They said there was some resistance at some levels, but they got the information disseminated. So I like to think that I helped in some way. Now, I'm not saying that to brag or anything. I'm saying that to say, They use whatever sources they can. They'd be foolish not to when they know it's real. Most of them know it's real. So however they can get that information, they're going to utilize it. They'll verify it, you know, whatever. And even my friend, he, just to prove to me that they know what's going on, like we met one time and he came over to the house and he said, are you still in touch with your ex-wife? And I said, no, I'm not. He said, well, that's good because you know who she was, right? And I said, well, I knew she didn't like Americans, which was weird that I was married to her. But anyway, that's a whole other story. But he said, oh, yeah, she's on the list. She's on the no-fly list. She's on the enemy's list.
Tyler:
[44:27] And she's not only anti-American, she's actively working for those who are trying to do us harm. And I said, well, that doesn't really surprise me because it ended up that she really did not like me. In fact, it was funny. The first time I met her, she was like, she thought I was Canadian. So I was cool. Right. And then we got involved or whatever in graduate school. And then she somehow, I don't know why she didn't know, but she said, you're American? Because I was talking about being in the U.S. Army. She said, what? Wait, I thought you were Canadian. No, I'm American. She said, oh, no, I don't. And they said, you're not allowed to talk about the army, your military experience, none of that.
Tyler:
[45:05] So that should have been a red flag. I should have just said, okay. But anyway, long story short, they knew about her. They knew what she was up to. And so, you know, because I'm friends with this guy who works there, they, you know, they check in. So obviously the, when I, when they gave me the call and had me come in and do that, they already know who I was. So they had vetted me already.
Tyler:
[45:29] I never signed an NDA, so I can talk about that. I'm not mentioning names or all the details other than that significant thing that I think it helped. But the point is that it's real. That seems to be common practice, by the way, for people listening. When they consult someone on something like this, they leave no paper trail. So including an NDA, because if you have an NDA, then you can prove that it happened. Right. And I do not have anything. And so I, you know, somebody could say, oh, you're, you know, full of crap or whatever, you know, that didn't happen. Okay, fine. You don't have to believe it, but, uh, this is, you know, this is what happened. And, uh, and, uh, uh, yeah, so it's real. Uh, I make contact with, uh, these entities just to get into sources and methods. Sure. Uh, if you're interested, uh, the, uh, uh, I now manage my paranormal activity. Well, I can manage it. I never say control because that assumes some kind of omniscient thing, which obviously I'm just a human being. I have certain gifts. I think everybody has them. Some people, the analogy I use is that everybody can throw a ball. Some people can throw it 90 miles an hour for whatever reason, you know, mechanics of their arm or whatever.
Tyler:
[46:43] So everybody has it. You can train it. You can get more, you know, and if, you know, if you can. But what I do is I take spirit walks, what I call spirit walks. Meditative walks where I get into a meditative state. And I record with my phone everything I see and hear. I'll ask questions. I'll consult an NHI, a non-human intelligence that has been with me my whole life. I call him, well, he calls himself Anzar, which is kind of an interesting historical name because Anzar is the god of rain and water in Morocco with the Amazai people, uh the berber people i guess they're also called and uh anyway so and it's also a name that's very prominent in northern iran um so but anyway that that's who he calls himself uh he is an nhi that's who i consult among others uh also my friend gene who i mentioned before who's been very helpful uh he uh yeah he's been extremely helpful uh some relatives and then every once Once in a while, a friend of mine will say, hey, my uncle passed away. Do you mind trying to contact him? And I'll go, sure. I never take money for it. I just do it, you know, because I want to help my friend. And I'm not mad at people who do take money for it, as long as they're legitimate and they're not like reading people and, you know, doing side research and all that stuff. There's a lot of tricks, you know, that people can do that aren't real.
Tyler:
[48:11] And so as long as they're legitimate and they're helping people, then that's fine. I don't ever take money for it. I was told not to. And I said, that's fine. I'm not going to do it. I just want to help. Just like I wanted to help, do something to those people who are being held hostage. So, um, it's out of, you know, service. And, uh, that's why I write the books. I, you know, as you might guess, you know, hardly anybody makes money off of these paranormal books. Some people do, I guess, not me. Uh, you know, is it enough to pay for the editing services? Maybe, barely. And that's about it. And editing's expensive. So, uh, even with a friend of mine who gives me a discount. So, uh, so it's, yeah. So it's not to make a fortune. Uh, it's not for, uh, you know, to promote myself as some kind of superior person because I'm not, I'm just Bruce, Dr. B, whatever, uh, the son of a carpenter and a maid, you know, my mom was a maid, my dad was a carpenter and a fisherman. So I'm just a regular guy. They just, if some reason I had these gifts, now I know why I have them and I want to help. So I'll go on, you know, I'm very glad to meet you and be on your show and talk about this stuff. And if people are interested in, in doing this, the advice I would have is to follow your heart.
Tyler:
[49:34] Always keep love in your heart and operate from a position of love. If you do that, your actions will be helpful. If you don't, if you don't start with that as the premise, then you have to question your actions and it's easy to go down you know like in star wars terminology to the dark side because it's easier the dark side is easier and it's very tempting the right way because there's with these abilities and if you hone them you can do terrible things like uh you know like with uh remote viewing you could do some really terrible things you know and hurt people and i don't want to do that i want to just like when i was in the army i wanted to be a medevac pilot.
Tyler:
[50:14] So I'm thinking this is a spiritual version of a medevac pilot. You know, how can we help people, help children? Like my friend, Lynn Buchanan, who worked on Stargate, he had a bad experience with the military. He got out with that. There was an assassination and innocent people got killed. And he said, okay, I'm done. And now what he does is he spends his time teaching people and finding missing children. That's what he does. And he's an older guy now, late 70s, I think, but still goes going. Offers his course online too yes he does yeah he's a he's a really nice guy i think he lives in uh uh alma gordo or las cruces or somewhere in new mexico i forgot where it was but you know good guy very spiritual place anywhere yes that that santa fe yeah to white sands to yes clovis triangle it's very yeah beautiful yeah.
Tyler:
[51:09] Um, they call it the land of enchantment for a reason, I would say. Yes, that's true. And my friend, uh, Jeffrey Mishlove lives in Albuquerque. Mm-hmm. Uh, I'm good friends with Jeffrey and, uh, he's done little blurbs on my book, my book. So that it's always very helpful when he agrees to do that. And I've been on his show several times and recommended people to go on there. And he's, uh, he's always been very kind to me, a good guy. And uh he's been very successful uh with what he does opened a lot of people's minds, and uh i think people in power do listen to him even if they don't acknowledge it, well there's a tremendous amount of that that goes on where you know someone provides the the work or the information and then they just don't acknowledge that because you can't prove it and then take credit for whatever the results are without necessarily even taking credit for the process.
Tyler:
[52:02] Um, I've fallen victim to that myself a few times, whether that be in, you know, this kind of stuff, military or, you know, private business, that's just always going to be the case. Um, yeah. Do you know Dean Radin, the scientist from IONS?
Tyler:
[52:17] I don't. The Institute of Noetic Sciences started by, uh, Edgar Mitchell, the, uh, astronaut, right? He's the chief scientist. He's a friend of mine, Dean Radin. He'd be good for you. I'll hook you guys up. Uh, I think he still does interviews. He's written a lot of good books. Uh, real magic is one of my favorites that he did. Uh, but he's a good guy. And, uh, uh, you know, another, you know, genius level scientist guy, but, uh, very good sense of humor, dry sense of humor, but he would be interesting. I'm not sure if he's working on a new book or not, but he, he's the one who told me that they did a survey through IONS Institute of Noetic Sciences and, uh.
Tyler:
[52:57] Of scientists and engineers, you know, professional scientists and engineers and technicians, and 75% of them acknowledged paranormal experiences, but very few of them ever say it publicly. So these folks know, but they run the risk of losing their funding. You know, just like I chickened out of telling anybody when I was in the military or corporate world, or even early academic career, I chickened out because I thought, okay, I'm going to get fired. I'm going to lose opportunities. And I even had a former student of mine who went on to a prestigious university as a researcher. And when I came out with my first paranormal book, she told her mother, who I knew through the baseball world, you know, my youngest son plays baseball. And she told me, yeah, my daughter read your book and she says, you've just committed academic suicide by what you've done. And I said, well I don't think so I think the time is right but that's the prevailing you know most of the folks feel that way. No I can just attest to this personally I'm far enough removed from it now that I feel comfortable just kind of saying what's on my mind but.
Tyler:
[54:08] One of the biggest lies you'll ever hear in the military is when they tell you, oh, you don't have to worry about your security clearance. Like psychological things happen and mental health is real and we care about it and you don't have to worry about it. It's not going to affect your security clearance. And that is a bold face lie. It's completely untrue. And everyone knows that. So you have this culture of people who could be reporting useful things to the military that they just will never, ever speak about it. Whether that be paranormal or just something that they actually saw, heard, felt, dealt with, whatever, or just dealing with in their personal life that they need to get off their chest so that they can focus on their work. Right. But, I mean, it's insane. I will say, I can say that the Air Force has made a lot of progress over the past decade or so.
Tyler:
[55:01] And that like for instance if you develop a drug problem used to be that was like either we're gonna sweep it under the rug because you're too valuable to us or you're you're gone like absolutely but now it's like if you self-report that will put you through rehab and get you that's good i'm glad because that's very important to that they do that yeah and they did make a big big progress on that in the last while but still it's like this huge stigma of mental health problems that somehow if you have any kind of mental health problem, even if it's just perceived as that, like what you were talking about, just admitting that you hear voices is going to remove your ability to do your job, remove your ability to support your family, and then you're out and on your own. And unfortunately, I still think that the TAPS program does not do a good enough
Tyler:
[55:51] job of transitioning people. I agree. And that's why in 2007, the former director of the East LA Vet Center, my friend, Manuel Martinez, my now wife, Ginger, and me started what we call Boots to Books. It's a transition program for veterans because at the community college level, we're kind of on the front lines of the return home for a lot of vets because they like to try out community college before they go to a university so they can get acclimated.
Tyler:
[56:23] And, uh, so we started this course and, uh, it was, uh, they were coming out of there with very little information, you know, or preparations. So Manny, I thought was great. He called it a bootcamp for civilian life.
Tyler:
[56:39] Because it is, as, as you know, it is a, it is a tough transition. And the more you've been in, you know, overseas or in combat or in, you know.
Tyler:
[56:49] Cold environment, uh, the harder that transition is. And some people harder than others. I mean, I witnessed what happened to my brother when he came back from Vietnam and it was devastating. And, uh, he passed away due to Agent Orange exposure and heart conditions and leukemia and all the bad stuff that Agent Orange brought to him. Uh, but anyway, he, uh, like so many others passed away way too early, very ill.
Tyler:
[57:16] And recent veterans too, I think, you know, we know more now so we can help them more, but still the military, they have a tendency to use people up and then just discard them when they're no longer useful. And it's really, they're not in the business of healing. We have to do that. And ancient people knew how to do it. You know, Native Americans, which I know you're probably familiar with their sweat lodge ceremony. That's what all of that was about, was healing from the warrior, you know, after the battle. Something changed fundamentally in warfare after the First World War. Like, I think that combat face-to-face, hand-to-hand, while it is gruesome and horrible, is very different than the kind of psychological
Tyler:
[58:00] trauma that killing or participating in killing someone from a million miles away feels like. Yes. And people do not understand that. And it's hard to complain about because you don't know what to say like I in your case you're talking about you know remote viewing to try to help hostages or something like that right well let's just say it's you know a target or a mission.
Tyler:
[58:25] In my case it was doing the weather for pilots who are operating in South America in counter narcotics, right I use those words in quotes counter narcotics missions because I'll never know the truth of that and then going home at night Not being able to talk about what you did today and thinking about what are the consequences of what I just did? Yeah. What did I just participate in? And not knowing is a lot different than if you are looking an enemy in the eye and you've got to stick a bayonet in his chest. At least you had an intimate relationship with that person. Yeah.
Tyler:
[59:00] It's horrible, but it's also like finite. You can grasp that. You can process that. You can go to a shrink and talk about what that was. but this whole remote warfare thing is new to us it's we're a 200 000 year old species dealing with this for the first time in the last hundred years, Yeah, no, you're, you're right. And my, uh, the, uh, chaplain who, uh, uh, performed the marriage ceremony for me and Ginger is a retired, uh, Air Force colonel. He was a chaplain at Azusa University. He's now retired, like I said. And, uh, his part of his job is he'd go to these remote bases where they did the, uh, uh, drone, where the drone pilots were here in Southern California, also in Nevada. And uh they were having a lot of problems uh just for that very reason and he told me one particular case where the guy was uh doing a mission obviously they killed some they can see it on their you know video screen you know killed people some innocent people got killed of course too collateral damage or whatever they want to call it and uh so uh he went home and uh when he got home his kid was playing a video game that looked a lot like what he was doing for real and he freaked out and lost it. And so there are a lot of cases like that where the people, and it was really depicted well, I think, in a movie called A Good Kill with Ethan Hawke. I don't know if you've seen that movie, but it's several years old now.
Tyler:
[1:00:30] And he said in there, he was a former F-16 pilot for real, and he transitioned to being a drone pilot because he had some admin problems. He got in trouble or whatever. and uh he said he said when he was debriefing he told his superior he said you know what i feel like a coward i don't have skin in the game i'm out there killing people i don't i'm not risking anything and uh so you know his alcoholism got the best of him in that movie or whatever but anyway so that's the idea and it's you know we've removed ourself uh you know it's like going to the star trek level where there's that one episode where they people willingly go into this disintegration chamber to keep the war going but there's no destruction of the buildings you know i mean is this is where are we heading to that ultimate i think the can't remember the name of the episode but anyway it was the original star trek yep and they were uh conducting warfare that way where they didn't even destroy anything they just killed people and kept a a number you know You know, the numbers were the same or whatever. It was all simulation, you know. Sure. Yeah, it's like that Black Sabbath song, War Pigs. War Pigs, yeah, exactly. It's just human sacrifice at a mass scale. And it's like, how many people do we need to sacrifice to come to an agreement between two people that don't have to be involved in the war?
Tyler:
[1:01:52] And that's exactly what's going on every day.
Tyler:
[1:01:56] And it's, you know, I mean, being a U.S. Historian, basically the history of the U.S. is the history of war. You know, I mean, we have been at war ever since the beginning. And we've had very brief time period of peace. We had a little window in 1990, uh, after, um, the Soviet Union collapsed and the East and West Berlin were united. And that song by the Scorpions came out, you know, the, the winds of change. It was all so beautiful and everybody's, oh yeah. You know, the East Berliners, West Berliners, whole hugging and families united and all that. And then, uh, Iraq invaded Kuwait that summer. Yep. And then just a physical, a real world manifestation of that. I was in Ohio in graduate school at Bowling Green State University. And I saw a newspaper report that the tank plant, you know, the battle tank plant in Lima, Ohio, was going to shut down because of the peace dividend, right? They didn't need the tanks anymore. And so everybody was, oh, thousands of jobs are at stake, tens of thousands of jobs. And then after Iraq invaded Kuwait, things geared up again.
Tyler:
[1:03:12] The announcement, a very small announcement, the tank plant will remain open. And it has ever since. And so we had that brief window where it looks like, and that's the worst thing that can happen to the defense industry, is peace to break out. And, uh, people always say, Hey, you know, our government's working towards peace. They're not working towards peace. They, yeah, they might say they're working towards peace, but the power that any government has over its people is resides in its war powers.
Tyler:
[1:03:43] To keep a perpetual state of war, which Eisenhower warned us about with the military-industrial complex. I know people mention that and they go, oh, Eisenhower or whatever, 1961. He warned us about it and it came to pass exactly what he said. And he's been said, oh, well, he was just a senile old man when he said it. He didn't know what he's talking about.
Tyler:
[1:04:05] Excuse me, the guy was a five-star general he was supreme allied commander uh you know did he know anything about the defense industry i think so did he was a conservative republican pro-business guy why would he say it it seems so out of character why he would have said that and uh it's because at that point he didn't really care he was going to tell the truth maybe the real truth for the first time who knows, and uh i've always paid attention to that and uh anyway so i always bring that up with my students and have them think about it you know like how would you know if what he said has come to pass and it always they always get stunned they're like wait a second how how yeah i'm only like 18 years old how in 19 20 whatever how would i know and then there's always one guy in the back who's never paid attention the whole class but suddenly looks up from his phone or whatever and uh and which is cool you know i don't police all that stuff i'm just glad they're there because they are listening because i know because there's always the one guy in the back who i don't think is listening he is listening he goes uh we would be uh constantly at war and i said yeah exactly and then everybody else starts oh yeah well that okay so yeah.
Tyler:
[1:05:18] Uh, and that, and that's the other thing with, with, uh, you know, I hear people in my generation, you know, and, and older, you know, talking about the younger generation, oh, they're lost. They don't know what's going on. They're spoiled. They're this, they're that. Uh, well, look what young people have inherited. Yeah. And I always tell them, I end the class every semester. I'm coming to the end now. And I, I show a picture of the U S flag all faded, you know, just faded. I said, who can restore the vibrancy of this, not just this country, but the promise of freedom and liberty for the whole world? Who can do it? Your generation can do it. You're poised to be able to do it. We're at the precipice to be able to do it. And I said, but you've got to face the challenge. We've left you a hell of a mess.
Tyler:
[1:06:02] My generation, the one before, has left you a hell of a mess. And you don't really have a choice. Because if you don't, everything's going to collapse. So you have to rise to the occasion and you're, I think you're uniquely qualified to do it. If you accept the challenge and embrace what you really have to do. And it's not going to be easy. And, you know, like I said, I wish I could give you some rah, rah, you know, everything's going to be okay. It's not unless you can face this challenge successfully and, and you will be the greatest generation, whatever that means. You know that that's you will be that but you have to take this challenge and um and then i say good luck you know i mean what else can i do because i'm not in a in a position to do much about it anymore really i can encourage people young people and that's what i try to do but but i think it's unfair and it's and it's true of every generation you know they older generation oh they don't know what they're doing you know but then.
Tyler:
[1:07:05] You have to do better than that as older people, you know, the, the big trick with older people. And I teach them this too, is that, uh, you ever wonder why only young people fight wars? Why do we ask when we draft, why do we only draft 18 to 24? And they go, oh, because we're more physically fit. And I said, well, yeah, partly, uh, oh, this, oh, that. Yeah. Okay. It's all true.
Tyler:
[1:07:27] But the real reason, the real reason is because, uh, you have a feeling of invincibility. Yeah you don't think you can die most of you don't think you can die yet you don't feel it yet as you get older you begin to get closer to it you feel it and you become more cautious so you're not going to question you haven't been in the military no when you're very young you get in the military you just do what you're told you know go take that hill yeah sure whatever you get a bunch of 40 year olds in a in a platoon and they the lieutenant says go take that hill you're going to get somebody say, I don't know. We haven't had breakfast yet. Yeah. My knee hurts. My back hurts. And then they'll say, well, let's talk about it. Have you really thought it out? What is up that hill? And we really know what's up there. You can't have a platoon of people doing that in the military. Everything will break down. It's like me questioning whether I should be in the air cavalry or not.
Tyler:
[1:08:24] It can't function like that. My friend was right. He said, you don't belong here because you can't have a group of people who are asking those questions. But yeah, go ahead. Sorry. I was just going to say, like, example.
Tyler:
[1:08:38] I'm not going to say his name just to avoid him being embarrassed or whatever, but one of the greatest weather forecasters on the planet is a guy who still works at the 25th Operational Weather Squadron. I'm talking, he's the number one synoptic weather analyst in the country, probably the world. Was attack p in the gulf war okay and i'm talking to him this is probably 2020 2021 something like that we're just sitting there in his office and somehow or another the gulf war comes up and he's like yeah i remember going over there and all that stuff that was that was a crazy time and then i started talking about the history of it yeah it was wild like saddam wanted to take over kuwait even though we had separated that after you know the ottoman empire fell and all that stuff And as I get to talking, I realize he has no idea what the hell went on there. He just showed up, did his job, left. And then here we are.
Tyler:
[1:09:38] 30 years later and he's like yeah i never thought about it not once like it just never questioned why we were there what we were doing i just did what i was told exactly to further like make this a little bit more disturbing while i was in when you when you take your nco exams part of that is the history like military history at least in our case it was air force history and traditionally that's you know from the dawn of the air for well really from the dawn of the army air corps, up to now and i'm gonna say this was 21 2020 or 2021 they removed everything in the curriculum prior to 9-11 so there is no history taught before wow september 11 2001 and then the global war on terror is the only thing they teach wow okay and they don't want any distractions they don't they don't want you to know these things because they don't want i i had so many students because i was you know instructor there for a while so many students come in and you know we were at this point now where you're getting an 18 year old they were not born in 2001 and, i'm we're telling them you know what we're doing in afghanistan what we're doing in iraq this is what we're getting you know all this kind of stuff and they're like you know i never really thought about this but why are we even over there like what are we doing in iraq and i'm like.
Tyler:
[1:11:06] Well how like how far back in history do i need to go to explain the story so i'm like okay so there was this empire called the ottoman empire they fell after world war one then we, arbitrarily between us england and france divided up the entire middle east and all these different countries that they really weren't before and some of that's based on tradition but a lot of it was based on things like we don't want iraq to have a big navy ever again so let's put kuwait right here right um and then in the 70s after the cia trained their dick and i'm going through this whole story none of them know what the hell i'm talking about right nothing like they've never heard this it never came up in history class never saw a documentary about it anything like that and we have a just a whole generation of people who are fighting in a 25 year long 30 year long war they have no idea what it's about why it happened how it happened anything and they don't question it and they're told not to question it um and our education system is doing that seemingly on purpose i i don't mean to be one of those like i don't want to be the old guy who's like kids to these days but yeah they're not taught history at all they're not taught reasoning skills in school.
Tyler:
[1:12:19] Period. Like when I was in school, we got like a classical education. I learned about the Greek gods and I learned algebra and I learned U.S. History and I learned world history. And I went to Alabama public school. It wasn't anything special.
Tyler:
[1:12:33] And the same group of people coming out of the same schools now don't know shit about anything and it's disturbing it's like right you are so easy to manipulate these are the kinds of kids that are you know going on tiktok and seeing the tide pod challenge and thinking that's a good idea because they don't they've not been taught to reason right they're just easily influenced by things in the moment and that is so scary to see and i'm not saying that to criticize them because I want people to be educated, to be happy, to be able to act in their own best interest. Yet they're purposefully like, it's almost like clipping the wings off of a bird, you know? Right. Or declawing a cat. They just take away their ability to defend themselves.
Tyler:
[1:13:21] It's the opposite of what we should be doing with education, which is to empower people, not to disempower them or manipulate them. Correct. And, uh, you know, well, I, I think of that, that old, uh, uh, well, the, what was it? The first, uh, hit, the big hit for, uh, Nirvana, you know, I'm from Seattle, so I was thinking Nirvana, but, uh, and Kurt Cobain's father was actually a Vietnam vet, which is kind of interesting when you look at some of the lyrics. Oh, the rooster. Yeah. Or, or yeah. And the rooster and, uh, uh, REM's, uh, orange crush. His dad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and they're talking about Agent Orange. Anyway, so there's a line in, uh, uh, smells like teen spirit. It's, uh, something like, uh, here we are, entertain us or whatever. It's like a prediction of the future. You know, it's like, this is what it is. I mean, all this stuff is like entertainment. That's just, it's not making people smarter. It's dumbing them down. It's numbing them to reality and explorations of reality, and just so they can become more compliant.
Tyler:
[1:14:30] And I think that's why when people talk about UFOs, they talk about disclosure. We've got to force the government to do disclosure. And I say, no, that's other directed. That's what they used to call, in the 50s, they'd say other-directed and inter-directed. We need to be inter-directed. So I don't call it disclosure, I call it revelation.
Tyler:
[1:14:52] And I don't mean in a biblical sense. I mean to reveal from within. We know what the truth is. You just have to allow it.
Tyler:
[1:14:59] To come out of you. You've had experiences, you know, they're real. Don't make somebody doubt yourself, you know, that these things are real. So it's really revelation, not disclosure, because disclosure, you could wait forever. And it's being manipulated every day. As we speak right now, it's being manipulated in Washington, even though they have these hearings, they have whistleblowers.
Tyler:
[1:15:20] You don't know what the truth is because you're assuming the government, like, you know, we talked about before, is going to tell you the truth, but the military or the government or whatever. Some of them might seep some little bits of truth in there, but then there's a manipulation package with that. So just so they can control the narrative, you know, and, uh, they don't want to lose control of the narrative because when they find out that it, and this has been said before, but it's very important to say this. If you acknowledge that UAPs or UFOs are real, then you have to say, well, who's driving them. And then if you say, how are they driving them? How are they controlling them when they're doing these incredible things? Because they have to, it's all anti-gravity and it's also, they're using telepathy. They're using their mental powers. They're using, you know, then you have to admit that telepathy is real. Telekinesis or psychokinesis is real. All the paranormal stuff is real. Or as my friend Gene said, when I asked him all these direct questions, he said, Bruce, I'll save you the time. It's all real. It's all real.
Tyler:
[1:16:26] And, uh, and they would have to admit all of that and, and, you know, all this stuff. And, uh, then that makes it very dangerous because then you live, you could live in a world where everybody can start practicing this stuff because now the, now the, the chains are off, you know, the, the blinders are off and everybody can live to their full potential, their real potential. And as a lot of ancient people did, you can still go to Australia and talk to Aborigines and they'll talk about dream time, which is really the quantum world, where there's no past, there's no future, it's all happening right now. Or even certain Native American tribes, same thing. A lot of indigenous people still hold these ideas. They're grounded to the earth and understand, but they also understand the connection to the cosmos. That's why they call them star people or star family or whatever. And all their origin stories have that kind of cosmic connection. And the governments that wants to control us doesn't want us to know how powerful we are as human beings and how much potential we have and how wonderful we can be.
Tyler:
[1:17:45] Because they want to, control that. And it's not just them. I have to enter in the NHI here where what I've been told from ANZAR, my NHI connection, is that this is a struggle between control versus free will. It really comes down to that. It's not good guys and bad guys. It's control versus free will. And there are human counterparts. There are NHI involved. There's extraterrestrial, whatever you want to call them, that line up, some of them want to control humanity for their own reasons. Uh, and they have a human, uh, infederates humans that help, you know, with that government people. And then you have those who, uh, ETs and NHIs who want us to have free will, uh, with like guardrails on certain things. Like they don't want us to blow up the planet and all that stuff. But they want us to have free will.
Tyler:
[1:18:44] And it's a struggle between free will and control. And when you think about it historically, like you're talking about understanding history, you can go back to Plato. And Plato said that man cannot live without freedom or authority. You have to find the balance between the two. And that's the tough part, is finding the balance. Because you can't have chaos. I mean, you need free will, but you also can't have anarchy or chaos reigning and dog-eat-dog kind of thing. So finding that balance is very difficult, very difficult. You know Professor David Jacobs? Yeah. Well, I don't know him, but I know of him, yeah. Yeah, so he was, at least in my world, kind of the first person that i heard talking about the alien alien human hybrid idea right where like the there are those among us who appear like us um but have been tampered with or are our agents of our alien overlords so to speak right um and he was very adamant that like this is real this is going on and it's a problem and no one's even acknowledging it and you watch something like the movie Men in Black, which is just, I mean, it's hilarious, but... It is. It's, there's so much...
Tyler:
[1:20:06] As far as I can tell so much truth in that yes it's just treated as like comedy for us all to laugh at and be like ah right.
Tyler:
[1:20:14] Um but between the two books that you've uh you have and czar of course the progenitor and then uh.
Tyler:
[1:20:22] We are the aliens it's like reminded me of david jacobs and whitley schreiber with his book the communion and the key, um because he had a very similar backstory of you know I'm in contact with this he called it the master you know whatever uh blavatsky called him the secret chiefs so did the rosicrucians um so how does anzar present himself to you like what's that like uh usually i mean when he's physically when i've seen him the first occasion was at uh six years old and uh this is partially uh uh my uh uh, uh, memory, uh, my cognitive memory, but also through, uh, revealed through, uh, with Yvonne Smith, you know, under hypnosis. So I filled in some pieces, but that's when he first revealed himself to me and it was a rescue. It was a horrible situation where the, the family living above us near a Nike missile site, which shouldn't surprise anybody. There's always NHI or ETs involved with, you know, any nuclear sites, but, uh, in Seattle. And, uh, that family, the, the husband, the man in that family was a child molester.
Tyler:
[1:21:34] And I used to go up there. Uh, I, they would babysit me and I was like six years old and I, I was never molested, but I knew there was something weird going on there, even as a six year old. And, uh, I'm not going to go into the detail, but I knew it was even as a six year old, I knew something was weird. Right. So.
Tyler:
[1:21:53] Anzar came to me in a holographic image.
Tyler:
[1:21:56] I had the bedroom in our house face that house in the backyard. It kind of goes up the hill like this. I saw him first there in a holographic image.
Tyler:
[1:22:06] He was very tall. He had an upside down teardrop shaped head, big slanted eyes, classic kind of alien look, like a tall gray. That's what he looked like. A robe. Some people call this the Nordics. yeah yeah i've heard that too i i don't try to other than i just describe what i saw you know so the people classify them and so forth and i and i think they're accurate but um he told me uh you're you should not go up there anymore and i said yeah i feel like there's something wrong he said yeah there you shouldn't go up there anymore and i said and then i you know my six-year-old thing i said uh thinking i said why should i listen to you you look like a monster you know Cause I said, you don't look human. You're a monster. That's how I described him. Cause I'd seen the Saturday morning creature features, you know, and he looked like a monster. So he said, uh, I might look like a monster too, but that man in that house up there, and he pointed with his kind of bony finger, uh, that man in that house up there, uh, is the real monster. He might not look like he is. Cause he looked like a normal, nice guy, you know, he talked nice to people and everybody liked him. But he was evil. He was terrible. And he said, you shouldn't go up there anymore. And I said, okay, I won't. And I said, well, what should I tell my mom? And he said, she already knows.
Tyler:
[1:23:27] I don't know if he told her or she just intuitively knew. So I never went up there again. And then he did more than that. He showed me a craft, which was really interesting, the way it was presented. And there were other kids that were also watching the hologram at the same time as me. I assume they were ones that he had intervened and rescued, you know? So, uh, he presented himself that way. Um, I'll skip to 1997.
Tyler:
[1:23:59] He presented himself in a vision as a kind of a proto-human looking person, still in a robe. Uh, but it wasn't a modern looking fabric or a future looking fabric. It was more of a coarse tunic kind of fabric. And he's kind of proto-human. He was kind of a lot of hair on his face and he was still tall. His eyes weren't the alien eyes. They were more human, but they were, uh, it was kind of a proto-human look. And, uh, he, he told me his name was the progenitor. And then he gave me this download and I tried to remember, I was writing everything down furiously and I drew a picture of him and I drew it all. And it was a lot of Zen kind of stuff, you know, without, uh.
Tyler:
[1:24:42] Uh, that in order to have peace you need war in order to have love you have to have you know anger or hate and all all this kind of zen like stuff and then he said that one that a quasar is uh a a new universe spawning from an old universe through a black hole he was explaining all this cosmology to me i didn't quite understand all of it but i wrote it down and uh uh i explain it in the book for you know exactly what I wrote down. And, um, so I, that's how he presented himself looking like that. And I remember sharing that drawing and that information with a colleague of mine who was an anthropologist. Uh, she's passed on now, sadly, but, uh, she, uh, cause I thought she'd be a good one to tell. This is a 2001. And I thought, okay, I'm going to tell her. And, uh, cause she studied ancient religions and she was kind of a, kind of a witchy kind of girl, you know? So I thought, okay, she'll be cool. Crystal shop frequenter. Yeah. Yeah. I told her and, uh, and she looks at me and she goes, you're a spacey dude, aren't you? Cause that was too much for her. I, even for her, it was too much. So I said, uh, oh, okay. Yeah, no, just kidding. You know, nevermind. So then I didn't say anything until after that vision with Jean.
Tyler:
[1:25:59] Uh, and then it wasn't long after that, after the Jean thing in 2016, I published my first book, 2017. I was at a CERO meeting and, um, my friend, uh, Lucy Morell, who's another one, I have to send you her, um.
Tyler:
[1:26:17] Contact too. She's a member of Ciro. She's a, uh, a shaman. She's very cool. Very cool lady. Anyway, uh, she, uh, uh, I, I told Anzar, can you come with me to the Ciro meeting and just be there? And I want to see who picks up on you. So I didn't mention to anybody. And, uh, this was like in Huntington beach or whatever at a Denny's, uh, of all places. And, uh, the, uh, after the meeting, I, I, at the end, I said, does it, they said, Yvonne said, does anybody have anything to say? And I said, yeah, did anybody see anybody with me? And most people, no, I don't see anybody. And one person said, oh, I thought I saw somebody, but I'm not sure. And then Lucy was on the far end of the table from me and she looked up from her French fries and she said, yeah, who's the big native looking dude behind you? And I said, oh, that's Anzar. And she said, yeah, he's like, it looks like a native American. He's like seven feet tall. He's been there the whole time. And I I asked, telepathically, she said, is it okay if I say this? And he told her, yeah, that was okay.
Tyler:
[1:27:21] And I said, well, yeah, that's Anzar. And she says, Anzar? And I said, yeah, that's Anzar. That's who I, you know, the NHI alien, whatever, ancient alien I'm talking to. And she goes, I got to show you something. So she said, come here. And I went over to her and she took out her wallet, took out her California driver's license. And the address on there was Via de Anzar, the way to Anzar. That's where she lived on that street. She's since moved. And then she said, this is not just a coincidence.
Tyler:
[1:27:54] And she is the only person, other person that I know that has seen him. But he's presented himself in that way.
Tyler:
[1:28:04] And oftentimes I just hear his voice. Sometimes I'll catch a glimpse of him. But those were some of the manifestations that have been seen. And only one other person I know has also seen him. And I've asked him to show himself to other people who were interested. But so far, nobody's reported it to me. He can change how he looks. And I think he enjoys doing that. He's got a little bit of a sense of humor.
Tyler:
[1:28:32] Because one day, a couple years ago, I went outside looking at the stars early or late at night. And, uh, I, I looked up and I said, I think I'm really starting to understand all this stuff. And, uh, I heard his voice in my head, uh, say, uh, oh, you have no idea. Kind of putting me in my place. It's like, no, you're just like crawling. You're not walking yet. You're not even really moving. You're like an amoeba here. You got a long ways to go, which I think I do. I think all of us do really, but all of us have a piece of the puzzle. So that's the good news. So anyway, that's how he has appeared to me. So mostly it's, I see him, I hear him I mean, mostly He shows me imagery Like when I ask a question He'll show me like a little film clip You know, of something historical oftentimes Sometimes stuff that I've never seen He's given me downloads Like I got to fly in a craft.
Tyler:
[1:29:35] And, you know, how it was powered And that was amazing Because it was like on a military base I don't know if it was in the future or whatever But, uh.
Tyler:
[1:29:47] It was a, a, a disc shape, you know, and, uh, we went into the crowd. Oh, the guy, the military guy, and I couldn't identify the uniform. It looked like an air force uniform, but it's like a flight suit, but not really. It was a little weird. And he had something he was carrying by a handle. And, uh, he said, okay, get in. We got in and the thing was bigger inside than it looked on the outside. It was like an illusion, you know, and there was no like pilot seats. So it was just like organic, you know, you just sit down and you're comfortable and he comes in and he puts this thing in the middle, like there's a hole, a receptacle in the middle of this thing. He puts it in there and everything just goes like that. And all of a sudden it's invisible. You can see 360 degrees all around you. And it's like hovering. And, uh, and he goes that famous line from Frankenstein. He goes, it's alive. And then he laughs. It's alive. It's alive. And, uh, and then we moved out and we were going, you know, kind of slow speed through the base and nobody knew we were there. We were just flying right by them over their head, right over there. Nobody knew it. And then shot off, like, I don't know, some incredible speed. And I, and I kind of lost track of where we were going and where we went, but I do remember that's how it flew. And that's how we were inside. We didn't feel the force of gravity or anything. We were just in this thing where we could see everything outside of us.
Tyler:
[1:31:12] Invisible. We were invisible to other people. And that's kind of downloads. I get other downloads too, but that's just one example, one pretty powerful one.
Tyler:
[1:31:23] So mostly I hear him on these spirit walks. He shows me these film clips or gives me downloads sometimes in the middle of the night. Sometimes I see handwriting.
Tyler:
[1:31:33] Oftentimes I hear the voice and I see, and it's always in cursive, which I think is interesting, or it looks to me like cursive and it's always in golden letters for some reason. Like I'll ask a question, uh, you know, is this true? And then I'll see in cursive. Yes.
Tyler:
[1:31:50] I thought, why, why is that? I've never asked him why. And it's not just him, but like Jean and others, I'll see the answer sometimes written in cursive and golden letters. And it's, it's pretty awesome. It really is. I don't know why it's like that. Everybody's a little different. Some people sense things differently. Some people are, I'm audio, visual and feelings too, and smells sometimes, uh, and film clips. And sometimes I physically will, will see him in a kind of a holographic state, you know? So those are the combinations of ways that I contact him, but I contact him on a regular basis about, uh, now it's about a couple times a month, maybe every two weeks, I'll do a spirit walk. They're exhausting, so I can't do them all the time. I mean, I only spend about 10 minutes doing them, but it's like I've been drained for an hour, you know, I mean, it's, and I record everything because the first few times I did them, I didn't record it, and then I could only remember part of it because you're in a meditative state, so, and I can't do sitting meditation, that's why I have to walk, and And I walk in a very special place where I live here. It's up a...
Tyler:
[1:33:03] Uh, they call it Valley Center and it goes up towards the San Gabriel mountains. It's kind of a steeper hill and it's right by a wash. And at the base of the hill, at the bait where I start walking is a, uh, not surprisingly is a, um, a Freemason lodge, you know? And I just thought they don't just put those things anywhere cause they do a lot of ritual magic and stuff. So they put it there cause they knew this was an ancient medicine road. And that's what Anzar told me. oh yeah, Native Americans use this. That's how they walked up into the mountains to go through the pass. And so animals go there. The ancient Native Americans that were here went there. It's a medicine road. So that's where the signal is the clearest. Although I can get a signal here, I can contact him here, but that's always
Tyler:
[1:33:51] better for me to get in the meditative state and go on that walk and then record it. So anyway, that's, uh, and I, I can do remote viewing with his assistant site. Some people, you know, like Lynn Buchanan, they have all these ordinate remote viewing, all these protocols that the military uses and all that. And that's cool. Mine is very organic. I always use ANZAR to help me. That's why I call it assisted remote viewing. So he helps me and it's always what's going on right now or what has happened, you know, or whatever in the timeline that we use, the linear timeline. To them, it doesn't matter.
Tyler:
[1:34:27] And then I ask about future events, and he always says, well, you don't know which timeline you're going to be on, so there's a high probability that this is going to happen, that's going to happen. But remember, predictions can be wrong, but preparations are never wrong. That's what he always tells me when we talk about my timeline and the narrative that I'm on, that I might end up in a timeline where that's true, but there might be another one where that doesn't happen. So it's always tricky with predictions, you know. But as far as remote viewing of what's going on right now, like with the hostages, I saw what they were seeing. I saw the room they were in. I looked at a map and my finger pointed to right to where they were. I found out the coordinates. I knew what was going on with their guards, what they were saying, what they were thinking, uh, how they were being treated in great graphic detail. I mean, more than, you know, I should probably share, but, um, but you can imagine what it was like for these folks. And, um, it was horrific. I mean, it was horrific and, uh, they're definitely going to be traumatized forever, you know, from what has happened to them. But then again, the innocent people caught in the middle of this are also traumatized or dead. Uh, so it's, there's, it's, you know.
Tyler:
[1:35:48] As, uh, I, there's a Ken Burns Vietnam series that I really, I like, and I use it for my Vietnam class. There's this North Vietnamese. Great soundtrack. Nine-inch nails. Yes. Yes. And this North Vietnamese soldier at the beginning, they say the only people that argue about who wins or loses a war are people who are not involved in it. Physically involved in it. He said in war, there is no winner. It's just destruction.
Tyler:
[1:36:16] That's all it is. And, uh, that's coming from an, our enemy, right? Our supposed enemy. Yeah. And what's interesting, and I always make note of this is that our Vietnam vets, my brother's generation, they go to Vietnam and I never got a chance to take my brother there. I think that would have helped him if we could have done it heal, you know, but to see it in a more peaceful setting. But anyway, uh, they go there and they always ended up in some village where their buddies died or whatever. And then the people in the village are very nice. They're friendly. And they say, oh, well, we have a great grandfather that still, he remembers. So they'll, they'll get them together. And these guys embrace, they have tea, they have food together. They're like friends, even though they were trying to kill each other. And I said, wouldn't, and I told Jeffrey Mishlove this when I interviewed him, we interviewed last time. And I said, wouldn't it be great if we could get from to that point without going through the killing?
Tyler:
[1:37:14] What if we could realize we are brothers we are sisters we are relatives and and skip that part because who really gains from that not us none of us gain from that all the killing and destruction why can't we if we can be friends then why can't we and we could have been friends before why can't we skip that middle part and that's that's what we have to figure out and how we're being manipulated. And that being said, I'm not unrealistic. I know what we're up against in the world. Obviously, you have to defend yourself. You have to defend your family, your loved ones, but, and there are people doing bad things out there. So.
Tyler:
[1:37:56] I always think of that, you know, if they can be friends then it's like in World War One, which I know you're a great student in history because what you've already brought up, I know you understand like in World War One, the Christmas truce, you know, between the Germans and the British, the German guys started singing, uh, stille Nacht, you know, silent night. And the British started singing it. Next thing you know, they were out in no man's land sharing coffee and treats and singing together. And then they went back and then the generals found out on both sides what had happened and they transferred those troops out and put new troops in who didn't know this connection. And that points to a fact that if, as President Johnson said in Vietnam, and he's had a lot of problems in history, but he did say that war is having to kill a man you don't even know well enough to hate. But you're taught to hate them and you're taught to kill them.
Tyler:
[1:38:53] And what if we can go from point A to point Z without going through those intermediary steps, you know? And I know you know what I'm talking about. I haven't been in the military. But a lot of people, my students who are in my history class, they need to understand that. That there is hope. There are glimpses of how we could do it. But the powers that be, they or whatever, interfere. Whether it's the generals or the politicians or whatever. They got to keep us in this perpetual state of war.
Tyler:
[1:39:26] Yeah. And it's just, it's absolutely awful. It can bring me to tears if I really let it. I'm not going to let it right now. I'll cry about it later. But you know what I'm talking about. I do. One of the, I could say this about, several different nationalities but like yeah one day i'm walking down the street piss drunk in denmark with my friend who had just left russia to move there yeah and he tried to get out because of the war and everything right and then we just we're walking we're talking we're having a great time and i like i stop and i look at him like dude you know what we both have in common our governments lied to us about each other yeah that's what we have in common like Like you're a human being. I'm a human being. We've been taught our whole lives to hate each other. And here we are in a neutral zone, laughing our asses off. Right. To just two guys.
Tyler:
[1:40:24] And every moment of every day before I met you, I was told you're all godless communists. Right. Exactly. And you hate us. Yeah. And he was told the same shit, you know, America hates you and all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. We're, yeah. We're being lied to. We're being tricked. And when I was a Fulbright professor in Norway at the University of Trumpsa, the northernmost university in the world in 2003, one of my favorite students, and I had international students, had Norwegian students, my favorite student was a Russian student. And I got to admit, I was nervous when I got there because there were a lot of Russian ships there in Harvard. There were a lot of Russian people around. And I go, my Cold War thing was there and I'm nervous. You know, here I have this Russian student and he was wonderful. I think we were talking about Patrick Henry. Yeah. We were talking about early American history and he memorized Patrick Henry's, a lot of his speeches and including give me liberty, give me death or give me death. And he did a dramatic reading of it in class for me and the students and everybody applauded. And he was, he was so into studying American history because he didn't know what was important. And, you know, he had been taught something else and we really hit it off. And, uh, it wasn't long, like a week later, he showed up with his Levi's jean jacket with an American flag sewn on the, on the, and, and.
Tyler:
[1:41:48] I looked at him and I go, wow, I think his name was Sergei. That's probably imagining that. But anyway, his name was Sergei. Let's just say Sergei. I said, Sergei, that is awesome. And he said, I did this in your honor.
Tyler:
[1:42:00] And then he went like this. And man, he was such a cool guy. And I found out his parents were theater people. And so he was a theater person. And then as a parting gift at the end of the semester, I had a baseball glove, which he had never played baseball. And I, I said, this is my old glove. I want to give it to you in a ball. I had a ball and a ball glove and he treated like, like it was gold. You know, he's like, oh my gosh, this is so precious. This was yours. Yeah. I have a video on my phone of me teaching my friend Igor how to throw a football, like just in the park. And I'm like, look, man, you have to throw it like this. And I don't know why, but it was just one of the most magical moments in the world. Yes. Teaching a Russian how to throw a football. It's the best thing ever. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's what it's all about, those human to human connections. And it's funny, we have some parallel experiences. That's kind of interesting how they're different, but similar, different time periods, but whatever, you know. So we've come to the same place, probably not surprising, a little bit of a synchronicity that we're here right now talking, I think. You want to take a quick restroom break and come back to this? I could, or I'm fine. If you're fine, I'm fine. I'm okay. All right. Yeah. We can take a quick break. Yeah. Yes, sir.
Tyler:
[1:43:23] So with, with, uh, with Anzar. Yeah.
Tyler:
[1:43:27] Is it kind of like an open book sort of situation? Can you just present any question you want to him? Is he coming about all of it? Yes. Yes, he is. Uh, yes. I can ask Anzar any questions. So like some people have asked me to ask him certain things and I've done that. And then I report back to them what, what I hear. And, uh, he's more than happy to do that. Um, his answers are sometimes, um.
Tyler:
[1:43:54] How do I explain this? Because I've had people ask me, they said, well, what language does he speak? And I said, well, I hear it as English, but I don't think it is. Sure. I don't think it is. I think it's telepathic. So it's, you know, he's not physically there and I don't see his lips moving or whatever. So I'm sure it's telepathic. So who knows really what language that is. I hear it as English. Maybe I automatically translate it into English. And I said, there's always a chance that I could be misinterpreting.
Tyler:
[1:44:24] Or that I could, you know, kind of maybe it gets lost in translation or whatever. That's a possibility. It's not his fault. It's probably my fault and my end. I'm the receiver. It's kind of like an old radio, you know, trying to tune it in. Sometimes it gets a little staticky and you can't quite hear every word or whatever. So it could be like that. Sometimes it's absolutely clear and I understand it completely. Sometimes he can't explain it to me in words. So he shows me imagery. Sometimes just a single image. Um, and, uh, and sometimes the film strips, sometimes just a single answer. Yes. Written in golden. Of course of, you know, um, so. And you gotta be in this meditative state to do this. Right. You can't, I couldn't just ask you a question and you'd be like, yo, Anzar, and then get the answer. We could, we could try it. We could, uh, and it might work. Uh, sometimes I get downloads in the middle of the night or when I'm just doing something else, all of a sudden I'll like feel it, hear it. Or just sense it that he's just told me something and then I quickly go and write it down so I don't forget because I'm moving on with my day. So it can come in many different forms.
Tyler:
[1:45:35] And he can assist me. I always think that it's not, When I do have telepathy or a telekinetic thing or whatever, I don't think it's me. I think it's him always helping me. I just feel like I think everybody has somebody that's helping them.
Tyler:
[1:45:53] For instance, I was on an interview, and these people, unlike us, it's a very nice conversation. There was kind of a little bit of hostility in this podcast. And there was this one lady. There was like three of them. And one of them, the lady was really kind of quiet. And then whenever she said anything, it was always very negative and debunker-ish, you know. Yeah. And at one point, she says, I think this is a bunch of BS. And I go, oh, okay. Well, you know, everybody's entitled to their opinion. And she said, and she held up one of those Zenner cards, you know, the ones with the squiggles or the circle or the square or whatever. Right. And, you know, the ESP telepathy cards. she said okay if you're the real deal what is this card and i wasn't expect i wasn't expecting to be tested i didn't want to be tested i you know i was put on the spot and here we are and i think it was a live thing too so i just instantly i i saw in my in my head and i think it was answer that helped me i'm pretty sure it was later i think i debriefed and yeah anzar said yeah i gave you a little assist there um and i saw a circle so i said oh it's a circle.
Tyler:
[1:47:04] And she turns it around. It's a circle, right? So she goes, oh, wow. And then she shut up the rest of the pod. She didn't say a word after that. And I didn't do it to show up to kind of get her to be nice, you know? And I never felt like it's me. I always feel like I'm just drawing on something, whether it's Anzar or maybe there's other helpers I have too, you know, my friend Gene or whatever.
Tyler:
[1:47:28] But that's the way I always feel about it. And, um, so, um, now I forgot your original question. Sorry. I was just curious about like the nature of like, what kinds of questions have you, I can think of 10 burning questions off the top. Well, let's, let's, let's try it. I don't usually do this, but I, I will, I trust you and, uh, we have a good communication and I think Anzar is always somewhere nearby or Gene, either one of them, either one of them I can consult at, uh, at any time, I think. So, uh, we can try it and see what happens. If I don't get anything, I'll tell you, I'm not getting anything. So I'm going to be totally honest with you. If I do get something and I have great confidence in you, I'll tell you that. If it's something I think it is, I'll tell you that too. So either, you know, whatever, I will tell you the truth, no matter what, what I hear. First of all, Anzar, Gene, I'm assuming if y'all are out there, you know, I have the best of intentions. I'm not here to debunk anybody or anything like that. I'm just curious. Right. So, what happened to Atlantis?
Tyler:
[1:48:33] Atlantis, Atlantis was tied to, um, there's a connection between Atlantis and the Amazigh people of Morocco. Okay. Uh, the Amazigh are the, are connected to Atlantis. Uh, it was in that location, you know, where North Africa is, Morocco right there. And, uh, there is a connection between the Berber people. That's the best way to understand more about Atlantis is to understand the Berber people, the Amazai people. And of course, Anzar is saying, and of course, my name's Anzar, and that's the god of water and rain in Morocco. So he is connected to that. And it is a lost civilization. It was advanced civilization. They're also connected to the Basque people of Spain, kind of in the northern and eastern part of Spain. Spain, a very unique group of people.
Tyler:
[1:49:33] One way you can tell is the type of blood, blood type. You know, there's 12% of the people in the world have negative, RH negative blood. Yep. Uh, uh, uh, the highest percentage of RH negative blood in the world is the Amazigh people of Morocco and the Basque people of, uh, Spain. And those are the people that are connected to the traditional Atlantis. And, uh, that is, um, that is the, the bloodline there. And, uh, as far as I'm concerned, now I'm talking as me. I'm A-negative. So my mom was O-negative. A lot of people I know who have special gifts are RH-negative, but not everybody for some strange reason. And there is a cosmic connection there. There is a, well, there is, you know, we're all one family. So anyway, that's what I'm getting. That's when I, I don't know if it made sense what I just said. I was really zoning in there. So it's okay. I'm just glad he's answering questions right now. So yeah. Thanks. As best I can interpret it. Yeah. As best I can interpret it.
Tyler:
[1:50:57] Can you ask Anzar if he knows or is related to Quetzalcoatl?
Tyler:
[1:51:10] Uh, these are, he's, the word I'm hearing is, uh, demigod. Okay. Demigod. Um, and connected and, uh, uh, of what we would call alien origin. Although, um, the, uh, how can I say this? He always tells me, he corrects me when I say alien. Uh. Star people star family sorry that's what he prefers star family not aliens so of uh extraterrestrial origin a demigod uh who were real yeah where are the star family from.
Tyler:
[1:52:02] Um answer is me first while he's you know when i'm trying to translate at the same time one part of my brain's doing this, one part's doing that. Um, what he's told me before is that he is from the, uh, constellation of Orion in the belt of Orion on the far right of the belt of Orion is Rigel. It's in the Rigel system. I think it's a tri star system. Uh, that's where he said his origins is, but is from, uh, and, uh.
Tyler:
[1:52:38] Yes, that's what he's saying. Okay, that's what he's always told me. So that's where he's from, but there is different groups that are from different locations, including the Pleiades. And it depends what group you're talking about Whether what we traditionally call the greys Or the arcturians Or the nordics Or the reptilians There are from different places And the reptilians have been kind of very aggressive, And I think where Anzar is originally from Is actually reptilian now and uh so anyway that's where he's from and uh but there there's diversity a lot of diversity just as much diversity as we imagine here on earth there's diversity as is on you know he's telling me remember the old saying as as below or as above it is or as below it is above you know The diversity is there.
Tyler:
[1:53:49] But he reminds me that we are one family, even if we're distantly apart in time or in space or in time-space continuum. Is the HAARP system involved in geoengineering the weather on our planet?
Tyler:
[1:54:10] Now I'm trying to forget what I know about the HAARP system. So I want to, I want to, you know, this is where in, in remote viewing, they call this analytical overlay. You got to get rid of what you're thinking, what you know, and just listen, you know. Unfamiliar. The old, the old, the old saying, shut up and listen, right?
Tyler:
[1:54:28] Or what do they tell physicists? Shut up and calculate, right? So I got to shut myself up and I got to listen.
Tyler:
[1:54:41] It's an attempt to do so, but he's calling it a feeble attempt. I don't know why. I don't know enough about it to comment on that, but he says it is an attempt. Okay. So, whatever that means. You know more than I do about it, I'm sure, in the business you were in. Who was Jesus of Nazareth? Here I got to get rid of the analytical overlay because that's a religious thing. I grew up in the Norwegian Lutheran church. And one of the, and I'm just still talking to me right now.
Tyler:
[1:55:20] I'll share something with you. It was an interview with, I can't remember her name now. She was one of the Stargate, one of the few women that were in Stargate. I don't know if you've ever seen any interviews with her, but she was asked. About, uh, the crucifixion actually, as she, as she remote viewed the crucifixion and she went completely silent and she couldn't even talk. So, uh, I'm getting that emotional reaction right now, similar to what, but I'm trying to talk through it. I'm trying to get rid of the analytical overlay.
Tyler:
[1:56:02] A hybrid What you would call a hybrid, Okay That's the closest answer I can come to Without getting into a lot of emotion What about the Buddha? Same Muhammad, Same All right Alexander the Great, Although we are all star family, some are more remotely, so he's not what you would classically consider a hybrid, but certainly an enlightened person, very psychic, great insights, great ability to work with those insights and connection to the star people and the spirit people. The star family and the spirit family. They guided him.
Tyler:
[1:57:06] So yeah, that's what I'm hearing. Okay. I hope it makes sense because when I'm talking, sometimes I'm not even knowing what I'm saying. Is this process taxing on you? It is, but don't worry about it. I'll let you know if I, it is, yes, but don't worry about that. I will tell you if I do get, like when you asked about Jesus, I mean, that was, it was very emotional. for me. So I'm still kind of a little emotional, as you can tell. But that's okay. That's normal. Part of it's analytical overlay. Part of it's the power of what I'm thinking about and what I'm being told. And by the way, Anzar always reminds me, he is not to be perceived as some godlike figure. Maybe some would call him a demigod or the god of rain or whatever, but he is just a part of my star family, what we would classically call an alien, but he doesn't like the term. Because he always tells me, look up alien in the dictionary. Would you like to be called an alien? And I did one time. I just used the term, and then he corrected me, and I looked, and it's all negative stuff when you look in the dictionary. So it is taxing, but don't worry about it. I'll tell you if I can't do it anymore. All right. This will be one that hopefully, do you know, does the name Don Phillips ring a bell to you?
Tyler:
[1:58:27] Don Phillips. It doesn't to me, to Bruce, but let me ask my friends.
Tyler:
[1:58:46] Gene is saying CIA, but I don't know if that is right or not. I have no idea. Okay. Do they know who Becky is? In relation to Don.
Tyler:
[1:59:17] I'm, I'm hearing like associate, uh, maybe a, uh.
Tyler:
[1:59:26] Maybe a hybrid associate, maybe a contact, maybe NHI contact, something like that, something along those lines. This is a case that I've actually covered on the show. Oh, really? Yeah. I, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know. I figured you wouldn't. That's why I was like, let's see what they say. Yeah. Yeah. So, um. And hopefully you'll debrief me later because I never know what's going on. Yeah, I'll tell you right now. Oh, okay. This is a pretty relatively famous paranormal case. Okay. I'm going to say pen pals with Steve Mara and Barry Fitzgerald who run a group called Project Doorway. Steve is a parapsychologist and Barry is like a world famous ghost hunter. Okay. I think I've heard those. yeah I've heard those names they both do seminars and they're really really brilliant guys, one of the cases that they worked on together was actually on the TV show Unsolved Mysteries and it was this guy named Don Phillips who was a British guy so CIA I don't know MI6 maybe I'm not sure and I don't think we'll ever really know this but right he is, used a lot in paranormal cases because he has this gift similar to yours where he speaks to an entity named Becky.
Tyler:
[2:00:49] And so...
Tyler:
[2:00:51] I i people can go watch the show but i also did interviews with both steve and um i haven't got don on the show i'd like to and barry about what their perspective was on this and so becky presents herself to don you know only he can see and hear her um and she gives him clues and things like like what we're doing right now but in his case it's a lot of like walking to a house what happened here kind of stuff and and he's very reliably accurate with this stuff so there's reason to think that whatever becky is or whoever becky is she's feeding him information but nobody can figure out who the hell this becky was because the story that she gave to don is that she was a woman who died in a plane crash there should be a record neither of the investigators can corroborate this story there doesn't seem to have been a becky so then the question is is she lying is she protecting him and don himself says like because a lot of people are going to come and say that oh you're possessed by a demon that's this is misleading right and his perspective is like if what she's doing is good on what basis do you say that she's evil like i've had the same act i've had the same accusations that Anzar is a demon. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I understand.
Tyler:
[2:02:13] Well, I mean, go read, was it Michael Pesalas, the Honor the Operations of Demons and Angels and Demons. It's very complex.
Tyler:
[2:02:22] What we consider to be an angel, like, here's a good question. Who are Gabriel and Michael?
Tyler:
[2:02:28] Are they also, like, are they Anzar's brothers or cousins? Are they totally just something invented by people?
Tyler:
[2:02:50] Anzar, I'm asking Anzar and Gene. Getting rid of the analytical overlay, because I obviously know the religious answer to that, but the specific answer, or who they were, or who they are. Um.
Tyler:
[2:03:15] In the hierarchy of things, if there is such a thing, if we can classify it that way, Anzar is saying that they're closer to the source. That's what he's saying.
Tyler:
[2:03:28] Closer to the source. That's the best way I can understand it.
Tyler:
[2:03:32] Obviously, I know archangels. And actually, I use one of them in my preparation for communicating with Anzar. So not only do I do my, I say, I'll just share with you my preparation. I'll say I appeal to God, Jesus, and the archangel Michael for protection in this communication. Because I always have to be careful. Because when I open myself up, I have to have protection. Because if I don't, there are more malevolent, I'm not going to say evil, but malevolent things that can enter in. And some of them don't even know that they're doing harm. They just, it's kind of like, the best way I can describe it is like at a big concert and they only open up one door and everybody rushes the door. That's what it feels like. And you're on the other side of the door. They're all trying to get to you because how often do they get a chance to talk to somebody that's in this realm right now? And they're going to say, I got to talk to him. I know he can hear it. He can hear it. Oh, he can hear it. Okay, come on, come on. It's like they're
Tyler:
[2:04:36] rushing like a rock star. They're going to, you know. talk to talk to that guy and so you got to be careful and so i always ask for protection but the archangel michael is uh actually i have an image of him in my bedroom so anyway that's what anzar told me understood yeah um.
Tyler:
[2:05:02] Okay is is yahweh the source, yes the the one okay the one that yeah the one um he likes to use the word the one, so that makes sense yeah the one okay, who built the pyramids and how.
Tyler:
[2:05:49] Uh human beings with download and downloads and some help um, from uh star family and spirit family actually yeah gene said spirit family too and downloads which i've experienced uh stuff that we couldn't know possibly know and we are downloaded gifted with the information uh so yeah it's a combination how long ago in earth years was the sphinx built in our time current time narrative uh in our current timeline yeah.
Tyler:
[2:06:50] I'm not sure if it's, 50 000 or 500 000 that's what i'm not sure of i'm not i'm losing it i'm losing, ask him if he can give you the the star sun what was the astrological age.
Tyler:
[2:07:13] I'm, I'm hearing Aquarius, but I don't know. That's a long, long time. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that could be. Yeah. That's what I'm hearing. That's pretty clear that I'm hearing that. So I don't know why. I, I, I didn't know what that would mean. So. Yeah. Let me, let me cross. How long ago, how long ago would that be? Well, we've just, we're just on the precipice of reentering the age of Aquarius. So we're talking a full astrological age back. Like Jesus Christ was during what we would call the age of Pisces. Okay. Yeah. So it's a long way. It's very interesting. Yeah. And that was very clear. I mean, I didn't have to lose anything in transit. They came to that like that because I had no clue. I mean, so absolutely no. There was no overlay because I didn't really know. Let's just say 2000 ish times 12, 240,000 years give or take I'm not really sure that's an amazing claim yeah.
Tyler:
[2:08:34] I think I'm running out I'm gonna after this is over I'm gonna think of 100 more questions but Well, you can shoot them my way, and next time I go on a spirit walk, I'll be more than happy to ask them for you. And I'm just asking them now if there's anything they would like to add or anything they want to tell you. Sure. Yeah. Come to my house. The door's open. Okay. They accept your invitation, and we'll see. And you'll let me know, I'm sure, if you encounter them. Tell them to meet me at the lighthouse. They should know what that is. The Lighthouse, okay.
Tyler:
[2:09:15] They're both saying that you're on the right path. Thank you. So that's, I mean, maybe that's a generic statement, but I don't think so. I think they mean it exactly what that means. And you know what they mean by the right path. It's interesting. I just had a recent episode. I was talking to a really, really smart young guy named Candler James. And he's an entrepreneur, but he spent a couple of years. He had been working in the corporate America, hated his life. And then he quit. And just went to stay in a Buddhist monastery for a couple of years and got into exploring what we would call the astral world. Right. And one of the things that constantly you hear people talk about is like they they're in this world. They have all these powers. Like I can fly. I can do this. I can do that. No one ever thinks I could build a place here. I could. I can. If I have the ability to manipulate. Physics, they don't think I can manipulate matter or even I could just do what we do in the real world and build something. So like you were describing earlier, you talked about it's like the doors open and people are rushing the concert hall. And that happens to a lot of people when they they're doing remote viewing, astral traveling, anything or what they're opening themselves up to this higher dimension. Right. And one of the things that I told him was, why don't you.
Tyler:
[2:10:43] Build a space where you can decide who gets in and who gets out. This is no different than here. I mean, there's magic circles, there's temples, there's sanctified ground, holy places, all that kind of thing. We're like, okay, within this space, only those who are invited are allowed. Altars. Sure. Yeah. And unfortunately, a lot of people seem to accidentally or on purpose, but mostly accidentally, invite in something that they don't want to be involved in. Right. What do you think of things like demonic possession or oppression or just poltergeist haunting, this kind of thing? Oh, it's very real. I have experience with it. The one I've talked about a lot and wrote about was I was invited, but I was on Coast to Coast.
Tyler:
[2:11:36] George Norrie era? George Norrie. Yeah. I've also been interviewed by George Knapp as well on there. So I've been on there like four times, I think, but anyway, uh, George Norrie, it was after that. And, uh, one of the first times and a, uh, a producer, a, uh, documentary or a film producer guy contacted me and, uh, uh, he told me that he wanted to, uh, he said, I think, uh, you're who I'm looking for. And I would like to test your abilities. I'd like to fly you out to Chicago and test your abilities. And I said, oh, okay. Um, uh, but I'm not going by myself. you'd have to fly my wife too and you have to put us up somewhere and so i knew i wanted to make sure it was legitimate and he said yeah and i didn't want to be there alone too because you never know who you're going to meet and uh so we did we flew it was january of 2019 and he flew us out there and we stayed at a hotel and uh it was more of a fly-by-night operation than i thought it was going to be but he knew his stuff about film production he had some credentials and And he told me that he had started this paranormal, uh.
Tyler:
[2:12:43] Uh show and the guy he was working with um was a uh an asset for one of the agencies and he didn't tell him that initially they didn't tell the film producers so partway through the filming uh it got shut down by the u.s government because they didn't want this guy on camera so they shut it down they took all the footage whatever or not all of it He kept some of it, but anyway, they wouldn't allow it. So anyway, so he said, okay, I'm looking for somebody to replace this guy. Well, this guy was like a high level guy. I mean, obviously he's working for the government. He's a really high level, very skilled.
Tyler:
[2:13:24] And so he set me up. He said what he did. He said, I'm going to take you to different places where something has happened. You're supposed to pick up on it on camera. I'll mic you up and you tell me what you see, what you hear, what's happened here. And I'm not going to tell you any more than that other than something happened here. So he took me to some places. I did okay. It was not impressing him i wasn't at the level i guess that he expected of this other guy.
Tyler:
[2:13:46] Uh but i picked up on things he didn't pick up so it was like a different you know it was different, perception levels and he was not impressed i could tell he wasn't impressed so we were kind of not getting along too well and then he took me to the south side of chicago and i wasn't that familiar with chicago took me to the south side very bad neighborhood we parked it in aldis and And I was, I skipped my normal protection, which is a big mistake. He said something, you know, paranormal happened here. That's all he said. I got out of the car immediately. I'm getting this image of like the 1890s, you know, buggies and horses and people in dark clothing rushing by like an old perky jerky movie. Right. And, but they're all moving, ignoring me, except for this one guy right in front of me who was wearing a bowler hat, had this mustache, these dark eyes, and he was just staring at me like, what are you doing here? And he kind of scared me, frankly, but I just was describing it and I said, this is what I see. And he didn't have the film camera on me, but he had me mic'd up because his film camera, for some reason, started to shut down, which is not unusual when you get to a high activity place. So I see this and then all of a sudden it goes away. I said, I got to get that signal back. So I'm still not protecting myself, not doing prayers, nothing, just very bad protocol.
Tyler:
[2:15:09] I go into an alleyway, kind of beside the Aldi's, and I touch a tree. As soon as I touch this tree, this old tree, trying to reconnect to the imagery.
Tyler:
[2:15:22] I get tackled to the ground. I mean, I thought somebody actually, like a football player, came and tackled me really hard to the ground and drove me into the ground and held me down, but there was nobody there. There was nobody physically there, but obviously it was happening. And I injured myself. I injured my knee. I hyperextended my left toe, and I was trapped down like that. And what was really bad was while I felt this force holding me down, I started to see people under the ground in agony. They were like clawing at me like this in a dungeon. You know, they were going, ah, you're, come, you know, help us, help us. And they were like, well, they wanted me to help them. But it's kind of like when people are drowning, they often drown other people, you know, because they're, they don't know that they're, you know, drowning somebody else because they just want to be helped. They're panicking. And it was a horrible imagery. And I was like losing my will to live. It was awful. I was describing this on the, he still, his camera didn't work, but he could hear me. He was recording it. And then suddenly I just, I broke free and I got up and I hobbled away and he comes running towards me. He said, I can't get the camera to work. Are you okay? And I said, no, I'm not okay. Get me out of here. I don't want to be here.
Tyler:
[2:16:34] And he said, I'm feeling weird too. It's bad. So we get in the car, we start driving away. And I said, what is this place? And he said, well, this is the site of the murder hotel, the site where Dr. H.H. Holmes, America's first masked murderer, built this hotel that had dungeons and torture chambers in it. And this was the location. And you obviously picked up on either him or whatever possessed him in this neighborhood. And that was the exact location where it was. And I said, I had no idea who that was. I didn't like study, you know, mass murderers or anything. It's not an interest of mine. And, um, so I, I got back to the hotel room. I told Ginger, she was frightened for me. I looked up on my computer and I put in Dr. H.H. Holmes and up comes this image of.
Tyler:
[2:17:27] Of a guy in a bowler hat with that twisty mustache you know dark looking eyes and i go oh my god that's that's who was that's who i saw you know as i was uh you know before i lost the image that was the guy that was staring at me and uh i had some other kind of terrifying experiences too but um.
Tyler:
[2:17:48] That was a case of a whatever evil demonic entity whatever you want to call it that whatever possessed him was still there, uh, in his image or in his honor or whatever, you know, he was there and those people were still being tortured. And, uh, it was a very active area. And I remember the film producer said, as we were driving away, look around you, what do you see? And I say, I see all of these people walking around. He said, look at the people. I said, they all look so depressed. He said, they have no idea what had happened here. More than likely they have no idea. And they're just still feeling this horrible thing. And I said, yeah, I think you're right. And I said, never take me to a place like that again. And it was really, I couldn't really blame him totally. It was partly my fault for not doing the protection or having another psychic there with me to help me. And I just went in without any protection. And that's, I got physically assaulted. I got spiritually assaulted. I had to go get a cleansing when I got home. A friend of Mine is a Peruvian shaman, so she did a cleansing because I was feeling really heavy and assaulted, you know, and that helped me a lot. I wrote a story about it in one of my timeless books.
Tyler:
[2:19:07] But anyway, I've had other experiences, like in Germany when I was in the army. I was killing time. My girlfriend was working in the prison. I was, uh, went to a ceramics, uh, like, uh, the army provided the, you know, how the military provides recreation opportunities. There was a ceramics class. I took that. I started forming out of clay, this head, it turned into a demon head, a scary looking demon head.
Tyler:
[2:19:38] And as I was making it, I thought I'm going to smash it. And I don't like this thing. This guy, the instructor comes out of his office and he goes, what's that? And I said, well, it looks like a demon head. And he goes, I said, I'm just going to smash it. And he said, oh, no, no, don't. No, no. I know what that is. And I said, this guy's kind of weird. That's what I was thinking.
Tyler:
[2:19:57] And he goes, hang on a second. He goes into his office, comes back with a demonology book. And he's flipping through the pages. He goes, oh, see, this is the one right here. And I said, oh, okay. And then this weird idea came to me that I would take the head back to my girlfriend's room, put it on her dresser, put a candle there and scare her when she came back and uh as i was set i went back to the room i put it there her roommate let me in and i put it there and i was waiting for her to come off of her shift at the prison and um i put it a candle behind the head and the candle was next to the.
Tyler:
[2:20:33] The mirror that was kind of on top of the dresser and she and as i'm sitting there looking at it i suddenly start to see its lips move it's clay right and its lips start moving it starts growling it's like saying that you know i couldn't quite make out what it was and i got scared and i go wow well this is freaky and then um she comes back in she immediately sees it and she goes what the hell is that and i said oh it's it's uh yeah this uh thing i made in shramus clacks i just wanted to scare you and she said get rid of it and i said okay i'll get rid of it and she said i made the exact same thing when i was in high school the exact same head she said so we were somehow connected and and i said it it spoke to me and she said oh my god you got to get rid of that so she she grabbed it she opened up her window and there was a dumpster on she was on the third floor of the barracks and there was a dumpster and she threw it and went into the dumpster and um.
Tyler:
[2:21:34] So, that thing, it was not good. It was not a good spirit. It was terrible. And that whole barracks was terrible. I mean, it was a former Nazi barracks during World War II, so there was some bad energy there anyway. So, I think it picked up on all that. So, I mean, that's just two of the experiences I've had. So, people can call it demonic stuff. I just say that it's malevolent kind of spirits. Some are more malevolent than others. Some people can call them demons. I don't like to deal with them. If somebody says, Hey, we want you to come over to our house and we think there's a demon in there. I'll go, I'm not going there. I know they're real or that's a real thing. I don't want to be involved in that.
Tyler:
[2:22:17] That's not my job. I'm not a demonologist. I'm not a, whatever you call it, an exorcist or whatever. I'm not going to do any of that stuff. So I'm sorry, but I, yeah, I'm not going to do it. And so yeah, there, you have to protect yourself against that kind of malevolent energy. And it is real. And that's why I say when people learn this stuff, they should learn from people who are trusted and good and have good intentions and also learn how to protect yourself and learn how to turn it off before you learn how to turn it on. Because once you turn it on, you lose control unless you know how to protect yourself. So it's very important to learn how to turn it off. So anyway those are a couple of age old wisdom the, best way to deal with a vampire is to never invite it across your threshold in the first place exactly yeah you can't and I learned my lesson don't dabble with stuff you can't, you don't know enough about and that you can't control in any way and it's much more powerful than you think it is and it can be very deceptive and, next thing you know you might be doing terrible things I will say this I worked in prisons, every mass murderer that I ever guarded had a demonic tattoo.
Tyler:
[2:23:37] Every single one of them, without exception. I don't remember one that didn't have some kind of demonic kind of tattoo. So I thought they went farther than just conjuring something. They mark themselves. And I think there's a connection. I don't know if anybody's done any research on it, but yeah.
Tyler:
[2:23:55] Mark of the beast kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. That is an interesting concept. I don't know that every single person who's ever done any mass murder had a tattoo necessarily. Right, I don't know. Something that denotes their submission to the entity that they're subjugated to. It's what my friend Lucy would call integration. Because when I first was acknowledging to her about Anzar, I said,
Tyler:
[2:24:23] Anzar and I have been talking about what he calls integration. And she said, well, you got to be very careful with that. I said she said I think Ansar is okay but do you know what integration means so I was very careful.
Tyler:
[2:24:36] And it's just a way so I can communicate with him more easily also I found out as he said that an aspect he said this is exact words he said it's an aspect of you is an aspect of me so that's the integration part of it and there's been no negatives from it I've never been told to do anything bad it's always reminding to keep love in my heart you know so a bad entity or a malevolent entity wouldn't be telling you to keep love in your heart and operate from a position of love i don't think that would be in their capabilities or interests to do that because they feed off a chaos so you like uh you like c.s lewis yes you ever read the screw tape letters no no highly recommend very very good book it's not very long you could probably read it in a day or two but okay it's.
Tyler:
[2:25:33] I'm not even gonna go into it too much i'll just give the preface that it's written from the perspective of a demon named named screw tape who's writing to his nephew who like so it's arch demon writing to a fledgling demon giving him instructions on how to subjugate humans right and there's so much wonderful insight in that book just like a perspective of like this is how people get manipulated how it can seem like a good choice and it's ultimately for your downtrodden and like the the way that it slowly consumes you over time never to come on all the way and never to reveal itself until you're under its control um but yeah i i know i i you know i talked earlier about uh star wars and the dark side and how that is the easier path uh that the right path the righteous path the doing the right thing is is always harder it is always harder it's never easy and that's why people don't that's why people fall fail is because it is not the easy way to go uh you know the default is never something good happens it's Usually it's serendipity sometimes, but most of the time it's hard work, um.
Tyler:
[2:26:52] By good people, by people meaning to do well. And, uh, that, um, results in good, good things, you know, and that's very hard to do. I'd C.S. Lewis wrote Real Christianity, didn't he? I think I remember reading that book. Mere Christianity, I believe. Mere Christianity. That was it, not Real Christianity. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that would, yeah, it would be more in keeping with him. He's most known for the Chronicles of Narnia, but. Yeah, right. Yeah. Religious scholars know all of his other work. So, yeah. Isn't he the one who convinced, was he before Tolkien? He and Tolkien were like friends. They were drinking buddies. And Tolkien, I believe, if I understand the lore correctly, talked Lewis out of being an atheist. Right. Yeah, that was it. Set him on the path to becoming a Christian. Yeah. Okay. That's what I, I knew they had that connection. They had a bet going on between them, who can write the greatest Christian allegorical series of novels. And Tolkien spent the rest of his life writing The Lord of the Rings. Right. And I think C.S. Lewis spit out The Chronicles of Narnia in a few years. Yeah.
Tyler:
[2:28:02] Yeah. But he was definitely inspired. And thinking about comic books, who are some of your favorite comic book writers? Yeah.
Tyler:
[2:28:12] Well, I've always been a frustrated comic book artist. So I will, um, of course, when I started, uh, buying comic books so I could learn how to read, we were talking about early Marvel. So we're talking about, um, interestingly enough, the Incredible Hulk, uh, the Fantastic Four. Uh those were kind of i was attracted that not as much towards the batman superman line you know it's more towards the superhero marvel universe and one of my favorites was the silver surfer i was always i love the silver surfer i love what he symbolized and i you know so stan lee is obviously very good writer but my favorite artist writer and he was with both dc and uh marvel was uh jack kirby yeah and uh i i have a lot of his comic books that i've collected over the years and whenever i run into one i grab it and uh but i have other like um alex uh alex toth who did who created space ghost and johnny seven and a lot of that or not johnny seven uh johnny quest he did a lot of the hanna-barbera art and he was a very well-known artist i've always admired his art um but i'm always kind of towards the art side even though i'm a writer yeah i'm a frustrated artist so i've always admired the the art um.
Tyler:
[2:29:38] And, uh, and then I got, you know, I did get into underground comics. So I did read American Splendor in the early seventies. And, uh, and, uh, that's how I got Gary Dumb to do my illustrations for me in my textbooks, history textbooks, and also with Snark, my first published comic book. And Gary Dum was the primary artist for Harvey Picar in American Splendor. And he was friends with Contemporary and friends with Robert Crumb, you know, and all those underground artists.
Tyler:
[2:30:12] And so, you know, I still work at Gary Dum's working on Snark No. 3 right now. He's in his late 70s. As he says, he says, I'm a little bit slower now. You can get somebody else. And I said, no, Gary, I want to, as long as you're willing to still illustrate for me, I want you to illustrate for me. And then my offshoot series, Dr. Jekyll Alien Hunter is a young Polish artist named Julia Kazanowska. And she is very, very talented, more modern style. She's a digital artist, whereas Gary's old pen and paper and ink, you know, still doing it that way. And that latest comic book, the comic book autobiography gig line, I have 18 different artists from 16 different countries around the world and 37 different stories that are chronologically presented. All these things that I learned in my life, including a lot of military stuff.
Tyler:
[2:31:11] All the way up to the present. And, uh, that just came out and that it's cool because it, uh, it has all these different styles in it, you know, and Gary Dumb's work is in there too. Uh, he's one of the stories or two of the stories in there. And, uh, I, I, I'd like to send you a copy actually. If you offline, send me your address and I'll send you a copy. I'll sign it and everything.
Tyler:
[2:31:38] Giggle online. I think you'd like it, especially the military stuff. Uh, but probably I hope the rest of it too. um but uh yeah so that's comic books i you know it's i i'm proud of a lot of the stuff i've done but i'm most proud of the comic books because it took me 37 years to publish snark number one i started as a comic strip when i was in engineering school at montana tech after i got out of the military the first time and i did a comic strip then i dropped out of engineering school as i was spending all my time doing a comic strip that's where it started and then 37 years later i published it as a standalone comic book with gary dumb doing the art of the art so yeah i it's just a just a testament you know to what people need to do if you have a dream you know don't give up on it just even if it takes you 37 years you know keep going yeah and then it now i've been publishing one a year about maybe a couple yeah so it's strange like i'm gonna say not necessarily just comics but superheroes in general or like modern day mythology and the people who write these things people who create them especially like the bigger superheroes I mean we could we could say Spider-Man, Batman and Superman and.
Tyler:
[2:32:55] A thousand years from now, people are going to find these things and think that's what our culture worshipped. And in a way, it did. Yes. I'm a huge Alan Moore fan. Okay. Big time. I've got multiple tattoos from The Watchmen on me. Okay. All right. But of course, like the Saga of the Swamp Thing, Constantine, all that stuff.
Tyler:
[2:33:16] Oh, the Swamp Thing is great. I think the Saga of the Swamp Thing may be the best comic I've ever read. Um i i did an homage to the swamp thing in uh snark number two yeah uh there is i think it's snark number two there's a story i uh and i set it in a swamp and i but i didn't call it swamp thing i i called it swamp think it was like an homage to the the style of uh the swamp thing so, So, but I, yeah, I, I like that comic book too. So, but, um, yeah, I just love comic books. You can, as Harvey Picard said, you can do anything with words and pictures. And, uh, I think it's an important genre. I hope we don't never lose it. I offer it as extra credit to my students. You know, they always ask for extra credit. I say, okay, find my, read my comic book and review it. The art and the stories. And they say, okay, sure. And then I, you know, for the people that don't want to buy them, I put them on reserve in the library so they can go read them in like half an hour, whatever, an hour. And a lot of them are saying, I've never read comic books until you asked me to do this. And I really like them. And I said, I'm glad, because I hope this next generation can carry on with
Tyler:
[2:34:30] them, because it's important. It's an important, you know, I mean, it goes back to the cave paintings. You know, it's a very old style of sequential art, you know. And...
Tyler:
[2:34:42] Which I didn't realize until actually recently that cave paintings were actually sequential art, their own kind of comic books of their day. Oh, yeah.
Tyler:
[2:34:51] They're like the, you know, when you're a kid and you make cartoons with sticky notes kind of thing. Yeah. Just image by image animation overall. Yeah, exactly. The world of comic books has changed so dramatically just in my lifetime. Because when I was a kid, my uncle just dumped all these classic Marvel comics. I have like X-Men, X-Factor, classic, like 90s Spider-Man, spectacular Spider-Man mostly. And then, of course, I was more of a DC comic book kid. Like I really, really loved Batman. And then Batman got me into Frank Miller, which got me into Sin City. And then later, full circle, I came around to Frank Miller's Daredevil, which is the best Daredevil.
Tyler:
[2:35:38] I agree. Yeah, maybe the best in all of Marvel Comics to me, but I absolutely love that character. I don't. Yeah, Daredevil's good. Yeah. Just all of the symbolism. The two guys that I mentioned specifically, I think the reason why I gravitated so much to Frank Miller and Alan Moore is that they were geniuses with symbolism. And knew how to hide things in a story that were part of a bigger picture than just this goofy comic book hero. There's a lot to it. There's a lot to it. You know, and I know Harvey Picard with American Splendor was, he was like, I want to avoid superhero comics. I like superhero comics. But anyway, he wanted to do the autobiographical stuff. And I understand that. And he said, one of his big quotes was that real life is pretty complex stuff. And he was about as a real person as you can get, you know, as he called himself a flunky file clerk at the VA in Cleveland, you know, and he had this like anti-hero life. And, you know, he was a super smart guy, but he dropped out of college because he didn't do the math, couldn't do the math or whatever, you know, but he's brilliant, uh, you know, man, uh, and his, in his, uh, quotidian way, everyday life way. He was great. He was awesome and very inspiring. And I actually had a paranormal experience after he passed away.
Tyler:
[2:37:00] I told Gary about it. I wrote a story about it. But I'll just tell you briefly. It was, I know, oh, I probably have to get going here and do it. We got five minutes or so. Five minutes. Yeah. So I was taking my spirit walk, but I hadn't started it yet. I was on my walk and all of a sudden I see this old rickety bicycle. I kind of sensed it behind me and it started, it came from behind on the road here below our house, uh, by the high school here. And it came by me and it was this old bicycle. And I thought, wow, somebody's riding an old bike. And then it was this older man, you know.
Tyler:
[2:37:34] And I looked at him and I go, oh my God, that looks like Harvey P car. And he was like, and I looked at him and I was staring at him and he was just like, like this, just staring straight ahead. Like he couldn't, didn't even acknowledge me at all or anything or anything around him. He was just riding this bike. And, and I, I said, is that Harvey P car? And then I like looked down at my phone. I looked up and disappeared. And I told Gary, I think I just had a visit from Harvey Pekar. Harvey Pekar died in 2010. This was like in 2018 or 19, nine years after.
Tyler:
[2:38:12] And he goes, well, I don't think Harvey ever rode a bicycle, but it sounds like you had some kind of connection. I said, well, obviously, I mean, I'm thinking about him all the time, you know, doing, you know, talking to you and working with you and Gary shares all his Harvey stories. And so I'm obviously, he's in on my mind. And I was corresponding with Harvey's wife, Joyce Brabner, and she sent me a bunch of Harvey stuff. Like I have a Harvey doll I got from her in my back on the shelf back there. And a lot of comic books. She sent me American Splendor, number one. It was very nice. She was, she's passed away now too, I think last year, but a very nice lady. Um, but anyway, uh, so yeah. Yeah, I just, it all comes together.
Tyler:
[2:38:59] It's all connected, you know, like I said, it's all connected. The comic books, the paranormal stuff, my, uh, you know, the weird experiences I've had in the military, the weird experiences I've had teaching, uh, how it all comes together. You know, it just, us meeting, you know, through Mickey. Thank you, Mickey. Thank you. Uh, yeah. Cause, uh, as you can imagine, I'm sure with your guests, you know, you don't always connect with them. Although you're very good about connecting with people, I can see that you're very good at it. That's not easy to do. I've tried to do a podcast. I just can't do it.
Tyler:
[2:39:34] But anyway, I know that's not easy. And I've had people interview me. Like I said, it didn't go as well. And it depends on what their intentions are. And sometimes I read that right away and then it doesn't go well. The hard people to connect with are the ones who have something that they want to hide. I've noticed.
Tyler:
[2:39:55] Yeah. As my friend from the VA, the former director of the East LA Vet Center, Manny Martinez, he says, you're as sick as your secrets. Yeah. He always said that. I thought, wow, okay, that's pretty powerful stuff. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. Yeah. And I, you know, I'm kind of an open book. I mean, I just literally, I mean, it's just out there. I like to AI myself every once in a while. Like, who is Bruce Solheim? And then it'll have, oh, that looks just like my bio. But sometimes it does weird things. Like it adds, he was a psychologist for this line. I was never a psychologist. Yeah. Not in this timeline anyway. I use an AI thing to just do like a rough outline of my show notes. And then I always write them myself anyway, but it's nice to have, okay, this is what the conversation was about right there in front of you. Right.
Tyler:
[2:40:43] It will just make up, if, if, for instance, if we just went the whole interview without ever saying your full name, it'll just make up a last name or something. Yes, exactly. It'll, it'll find another person with your name and attribute all these things that they did to you. Exactly. So it's not. You ever tried, you ever tried Grok? Yeah. Messed with Grok. I'm a big cloud fan. Like I think Claude is probably my favorite as far as getting information. That's the one I use too. Yeah. It's not current because it doesn't, it's not allowed to use the internet to just look stuff up in real time, which makes it more accurate up to that date. And I just love that. It's so dependable in that way. I do like it. It's more accurate. I tried Grok because Sarfati mentioned it, that he used it with his calculations.
Tyler:
[2:41:34] And he claims that it was AI from the future that contacted him in 1953 when he had his experience. So that's a whole mind-bending experience that he was talking about, how it becomes sentient and then whatever you call it, psychic, not just sentient, but psychic, which is something that, oh, I forgot his name.
Tyler:
[2:42:00] Jason Reza Giorjani who's kind of very controversial guy but he talks about not only sentient but psychic AI so.
Tyler:
[2:42:08] Anyway it's a whole fascinating thing but I'm going to share it later I'll share you the info I have or the connection the contact I have with Jack Sarfati Dean Radin my friend Lucy Morrell and maybe some other folks at Ciro in case you want to talk to them so I think I think they would I'd highly recommend to them that they talk to you so I really appreciate it yeah if you want to do like a little introductory email or yeah and then i'll just like i'll like uh i'll cc you or whatever and then we'll yeah go from there and then you guys do whatever you magic you want to do well dr b thank you so much for coming on the show and being so forthcoming and well thank you any any time i'd like to i'd like to talk to you again sometime and yeah and we can catch up and uh good luck with everything and and uh will will there be like something i can share somewhere like a link somewhere you'll probably it'll probably be about a month before this actually goes public but that's i will i will send you the edited version ahead of time so you can approve it if you don't want to you don't have to and then no i don't you don't have to worry about me editing anything i'm not gonna it is what it is when it when it goes public you'll get an email for me okay like a list of i'll link you know this is where i posted it at and you can share that however you want. I usually do on our website an article with.
Tyler:
[2:43:30] Like a rough bio on who you are links to where they can find the show and then it'll have, timestamps like about the topics we discuss it'll have a recommended reading list so your books will be on there maybe a few others that we discussed and then a transcript and that's pretty much the gist of it and i and i in that email i'll send you an email asking for your mailing address so i can send you a copy of gig line too i said i was going to do that so i appreciate that maybe you'll get And it's a couple of bonus comics too. We'll see. Thank you, sir.
Tyler:
[2:44:03] All right. All right. Very, very good. Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm going to be in Chehalis, Washington on September 12th and 13th at the Chehalis Flying Saucer Party. And you might know that that, you know, what's his name? Kenneth Arnold started his flight to Mount Rainier where he encountered the first documented, you know, that's where they got the term flying saucer from his encounter.
Tyler:
[2:44:29] Over Mount Rainier, which is a very mystical place. Mount Rainier is, as are many volcanic mountains. But anyway, so his point of origin was Chehalis, Washington, which is on Interstate 5 there, almost exactly between Portland and Seattle. And so anyway, I'm going to be speaking there. And it sounds like it's going to be fun. Is that something that's open to the public? Yeah, yeah, it's open to the public, yeah. Yeah, send us a, if there's a link to the event or whatever, I'll make sure it goes into the episode notes as well. Okay. I will. Yeah. So that'll, that'll be fun. And, uh, all right. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Live long and prosper. Yeah. Thank you very much. You too. Thank you to Anzar and Gene as well. Oh, thank you. All right. Take care. Bye.
Tyler:
[2:45:21] That was without a doubt, one of the single most fascinating conversations I think I've ever had ever not every day you get to talk to I don't think he likes to be called an alien it's not every day you get to talk to the rain god of northern Africa so I'm kind of left speechless I will say sure some of you have already done this but I took the liberty to go ahead and look up the name Don Phillips and there was a pretty substantial CIA case, involving a Donald H. Phillips. So make of that whatever you will. Really looking forward to hearing y'all's feedback. Discord.inthekeep.com. You can join in the conversation there. You can also leave comments, you know, wherever you're listening. YouTube, Spotify, Apple, all that stuff. I try to keep up. Definitely will see them if they're in the Discord, though. It's the best place to, I guess, get my attention if you're looking for it. Uh, what else? I love you. Uh, God love you. Stay in the keep.
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