Jeff Gorrelli is a mathematician and advocate for alternative & esoteric studies. Overcoming his childhood with non-speaking autism, adolescent struggles with addiction, and subsequent rehabilitation through psychedelic and spiritual pursuits have led Jeff to a life of rigorous research dedicated to shedding light on some of the darker aspects of human history.
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Chapters
00:00 Start
4:17 Wrestling and Opioids
16:29 Turning Points and Spiritual Experiences
26:53 The Path to Sobriety
31:07 Healing Through Psychedelics
51:38 The Quest for Truth
1:04:47 Navigating Galactic Histories
1:27:33 The Nature of Speculation
1:48:43 The Search for Ancient Knowledge
2:14:33 Ancient Perspectives on Jesus
2:18:23 Mythology and the Nature of History
2:20:16 The Baha'i Faith and Spiritual Messengers
2:26:57 Language and Its Mysteries
2:33:14 The Rendlesham Forest Incident
2:39:34 The Connection Between History and UFOs
2:49:13 The Reptilian Influence in Society
2:57:41 Bringing Researchers Together
3:02:15 The Role of Technology in Modern Research
3:15:22 The Aerial School Phenomenon
3:21:48 The Dark Forces Behind the Phenomenon
Transcript
Music:
[0:00] Music
Tyler:
[0:32] Yeah, so like we met through Tim Kelly.
Tyler:
[0:37] He just like forwarded me your email. Honestly, for all I know, you guys can be the same person because I've never seen you in the same place at the same time. But tell us a little bit about yourself.
Jeff:
[0:46] Hi, my name is Jeff Gorrelli. I was born and raised in Wichita, Kansas. Originally, growing up, I was a mute child. My mom was – originally, she thought that I had issues with my hearing. Right. And the doctors had a ton of different specialists look at me, and they just said, he's choosing not to talk.
Tyler:
[1:08] Did you have autism?
Jeff:
[1:11] I was later diagnosed with autism. And now, I guess, my opinion has changed so much. What is autism? Again, I guess the dynamics of autism have changed so much because of the research. But, yeah, later on, it was pretty clear that I was on the spectrum. Um, I, I didn't have a lot of, again, it wasn't the fact that I couldn't talk.
Jeff:
[1:39] It was the fact that I had no desire to communicate.
Tyler:
[1:42] No, this is like really well documented. Like the phenomena of non-speaking autistic people who actually are like, no, it's just too much effort to like talk.
Jeff:
[1:51] Oh, absolutely. And, and, you know, Tyler, I was so fascinated with puzzles and with mathematics, more specifically mathematical probability. I started studying sports statistics out of the box. I would get into the newspapers, and I was fascinated. With autism, you go into these, I guess, special interests where you really start forming outside of those special interests. I didn't have any interest in anything besides numbers and puzzles, patterns. Sure.
Tyler:
[2:32] That's what That's what, you know, your, your brain worked that way. It gravitated towards what it liked. And then what's interesting though, is I swear to God, I was just listening to something yesterday about this, how many people who are non-speaking autistic, you know, for a long time, like still, you know, around 20 or so gain all of their other functions and go to university and do, are just as successful as anyone else. Usually overly successful like specialist in whatever they're going to do mathematics engineering science uh physics this kind of stuff is like kind of that a lot of the people that end up in those chairs come from that background and yet most people um regard a non-speaking autistic person as uh as stupid and as as um you know like not all there in the head as someone who's not capable of cognition and uh a lot of this this podcast i know it's like really controversial but the uh the telepathy tapes have talked so much about this where i don't know necessarily how much i believe in the literal telepathy between like you know the kids and the mom with the uh you know they're supposed to be using the spelling technique that they have
Tyler:
[3:52] Without, you know, giving the answers to the kids. And I've heard both sides of that argument. But regardless, just the fact that there are all these people out there that people regard as not intelligent, who are just out there saying like, no, no, no, just presume from the jump that we're competent and then let us kind of like decide at our own pace what we want to learn and how we want to take it in.
Tyler:
[4:15] And then they usually turn out fine, you know, later.
Jeff:
[4:18] Absolutely. And you know what? There was a lot of darkness and pain that grew with, i was specifically tone deaf so when i would talk i didn't understand tonality and so i didn't have a lot of body language that was uh i guess reciprocal with what i was trying to say so people were they were confused you know and again when when uh most of the conversations you would engage in i just did not find them interesting and so i would disengage and there was a lot of pain to to be labeled because when i would speak about stuff that i was not interested in of course you're gonna you don't look like you are very intelligent you're um i i've heard it said to communicate is to express who we are to the world right so if we can't express who we are to the world there is a lot of pain and suffering that goes there and and and i would i started now that i've i've got a little older and I can look back at some of the early situations in my life, I could see where I would almost leave my body. I would separate from reality. And I would go into this daydream world. And in daydream world, I could think about anything. I could really get into.
Jeff:
[5:41] Populations of cities because I was, for some reason, obsessed. Again, I think that mathematics is a language and to most of us it's been lost they talk about that math is the language of the universe yeah that mythology is the language of our ancestors and that the logos is, the language of us that we express ourselves through frequency and vibration through symbols and through logos. And anyways. Stories, mostly. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Tyler:
[6:18] Yeah.
Jeff:
[6:19] So, Tyler, I kind of explained a little bit just to jump forward. When I was 18, I was a big-time wrestler, too, so I excelled at wrestling.
Tyler:
[6:28] Oh, yeah?
Jeff:
[6:29] I loved to wrestle. I'm from Wichita, Kansas. So, you know, wrestling, I actually got an injury, and I got prescribed. Originally, it was a hydrocodone, and I didn't know anything. Of course, for most of us, it was 2005. This was kind of, at least in my world, the beginning of the opioid epidemic. But I can specifically remember, Tyler, that when I ingested the opioid, I could abstractly communicate everything that I always wanted to say. I could do it in sequential order, and I could do it in a way that I had never been able to do that before. And I learned that I could start to even begin acting like other people. And so I started, you know, it started with like John F. Kennedy and, you know, Martin Luther King and Gandhi and all these people that I would emulate because I would read about them.
Jeff:
[7:28] And over time, especially with the help of drugs and alcohol, most of the autistic-like traits were gone. Sure. But that took me into a hell realm that is very, very, very difficult to describe. And one that a fellow scientist that I really enjoy, Sigmund Freud, had begun doing experiments on addiction and essentially got himself trapped in this hell realm as well and couldn't find his way out. And I don't know if he ever truly did.
Tyler:
[7:59] Yeah. I mean, reading some of Freud's letters when he was just experimenting with cocaine, for example, is insane. in a modern context to read a doctor talking like that is absolutely astounding absolutely
Jeff:
[8:14] Yeah and you know what my grandma's catalogs would have uh she had old montgomery ward catalogs where you could order cocaine you could order heroin you could order you know it was uh there was still all this stuff there just wasn't enough information sure.
Tyler:
[8:30] Well a lot of things just weren't made illegal until the 70s i think marijuana was like the first one back when they had the uh battle kind of between hemp and the paper industry and and everyone who's seen citizen kane knows how that turned out or whatever but yeah and then like it wasn't until i think it was 1970 i could be like slightly off here but i think it was under the nixon administration that they passed this sort of sweeping bill you know categorizing most uh drugs and that was a sort of a counter effort to the you know the hippie movement in america it was like there were so many it was a way to target radical people people in general like because you could you could safely assume that like they're they're using drugs if they're the black panthers they probably are in the drug game if they're the you know hippies in the hate ashbury they're in the drug game so that was the way to control people is to like if we can legalize that we now have a precedent to search and to arrest these people regardless of what it is that we're actually after you know and that was a you know a little bit better than having to assassinate them which they did for the entire decade prior so yeah well
Jeff:
[9:38] And you know what it's interesting that the the especially with drugs we can see this cyclical nature like even you know um when i started studying the freemasons it's like the chaos and the order so it almost seems like they brought in this culture of of uh you know freedom and this spontaneity and this drug usage. And then they come back in after, you know, I would say that the consensus is that the drug, because, you know, watching that happen for 20 years, people were clearly seeing that the drug movement was not working too.
Tyler:
[10:17] Well, yeah, I think when I said that stuff about like the sweeping laws against it, I framed it in such a way that it sounds like it's all bad. I don't think it was like I think That that was like a necessary push and pull Because it the to allow The 60s to continue Into the 70s would have been a fucking disaster I mean it people talk so much about free love and about the oh having all these psychedelic experiences and following the dead around the country and what they don't talk about is just the overwhelming amount of disease and teen pregnancies and you know physical psychological emotional abuse uh it's made to sound like rainbows and unicorns when in fact it in many cases was very dark
Jeff:
[11:02] Absolutely absolutely and one one of the guys uh jamie wheel he's a neuroanthropologist and um he would talk about going to burning me and there would be these huge orgies and sex magic, psychedelics for everybody but he said basically at 4 a.m that the demons would come out that everybody was coming down they felt terrible and there was this like sense that all the energy had been sucked out of the atmosphere yeah and so i also see tyler and i i'm totally i get what you're saying. I just, you know, one of the things that I wanted to point out was like humans, we tend to have a really short memory. So it's like, you know, the heroin epidemic following Vietnam seems to be forgotten. And then by 2000, year 2000, everybody has almost, it's been occulted. So they're bringing back, you know, oxycodone and essentially the prescription pill epidemic, which has just basically been an alchemization of heroin to changing to the, you know, so it seems to be even like the war, the, the, the, the wars in China and with England with opium throughout history. It's like, it seems to be cyclical.
Tyler:
[12:25] Mm-hmm.
Jeff:
[12:26] That we go through these almost, I would say, patterns that we can kind of trace a little bit.
Tyler:
[12:34] I never fell into any sort of opium problem. I've always hated opioids. Even when I went to the dentist and they gave me, I don't know, like Oxycontin or something like that, I hated it. It made me feel terrible, and I just didn't want to take it. But I know so many people go exactly the opposite direction. What was your experience with that? You said you got injured while you were wrestling.
Tyler:
[12:56] Um, so then, yeah, like how did you fall into that hole?
Jeff:
[13:01] Well, you know, growing up in Wichita, Kansas, I was very sheltered. Um, I was in a middle-class home. Um, my father was somewhat of a mechanical savant. He is very much on the spectrum, never diagnosed, really never communicated much. Very much the strong, silent kind of John Wayne. And so most of the drug, anything to do with drugs has been occulted for my life. I had never really experienced anything. My mom's a mathematics teacher. I was, again, kind of in a neighborhood where we didn't see a lot of that. My uncle was actually, he was the legend of Wichita. He was a professional boxer. He fought Lennox Lewis. He was a big-time MMA kickboxer. The man was, and he had a lot of charisma, so he was a bit of a celebrity back home. He had gotten into drugs after he retired from boxing. So this was kind of happening separately from, at least from my knowledge. But at 18, I was, I was a straight A student. I excelled in school.
Jeff:
[14:17] When I hit puberty, I would say that the really, the autistic element really came into play. Because before puberty, I still didn't have a lot of anxiety. And so I was really phenomenal at sports because it was just repetition. I would practice the same move, the same motion over and over and over until I became really great at it. But it was in sixth grade that I all of a sudden became aware of an audience staring directly at me. And because of my past experiences, everybody felt that I should replicate what I did on the previous one. And I remember just being in complete panic where I couldn't even function. I couldn't move. And Tyler, I was really spiritual. I grew up in the church as a Presbyterian, and I would just pray. And I prayed and prayed and prayed, and it just got worse. And I remember my neighbor saying, don't you know, you idiot, there is no God. That whole Bible is hogwash. There's no science in that Bible.
Jeff:
[15:24] And so i can remember the moment where i just lost faith i lost faith in myself i lost faith in the world around me and i really became depressed so tyler my most of high school when i got home from school i would sleep for three and a half hours and sometimes i would just sleep through the whole entire night because of so much energy in the school there was so much noise i could hear everybody's thoughts and i just didn't want to be there anymore.
Jeff:
[15:52] And so by the time my senior season in wrestling came around, when I started taking opioids, I basically jumped on the dark side. I was living like there was no tomorrow. And there was so much peace in it from a guy that was so mathematical and so analytical to be a free spirit, to be like, I don't care if I live or die, I'm going to do this anyway. And so I jumped in with a bunch of renegades. I got a job basically traveling with this old philosopher. He was a truck driver and he taught me more about
Jeff:
[16:27] life than about building scaffolds. But in that period, I was introduced to a bunch of roughneck construction workers who were all wayward lost souls that would, I mean, we would work 500 foot up in the air with no safety equipment. We were all borderline insane. And they introduced me to the school of hard knocks with all kinds of drugs that I had never been around. And I thought I was Johnny Knoxville.
Jeff:
[16:59] I really did. But there was so much freedom in that, Tyler, until there became physical, spiritual, and mental deterioration. And what I realized was just like I had the desire to drink, to have shelter, to have water, to breathe air, I could not stop. Those were all circumvented by first I have to use. And if I couldn't get drugs, I was still very much kept all my honor and my dignity. I would never steal. I tried to be honest and authentic in every area of my life, but I was helplessly addicted to heroin and methamphetamine.
Tyler:
[17:41] Why the combination of the two?
Jeff:
[17:45] Well, you know, RVCA, I'm a big surfer nowadays and I like to snowboard. RVCA talks about this balance of opposites and I can see it in my daily life. You know, whether it be waveform, particle, whether it be set, solaris, whether it be a dark night, there seems to be these extremes. So when you go into one realm, which would be the opioid realm, there is such a release of dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, that you are in a pure state of bliss. And for me, it was very much an upper. The amphetamines um would allow me to to stay awake throughout the experience so i could basically instead of going into a slumber you would take you i you could compare it to alcohol and caffeine when you mix those two you kind of get that butterfly effect in the middle.
Tyler:
[18:48] I was literally going to bring this up before you said that, but I never got into heroin or meth at all. But my equivalent to this was like it was caffeine and then alcohol and weed, too. It was like I would drink massive amounts of caffeine at the beginning of the day. I'm talking like I would put a shot of espresso in a cup of coffee, kind of stupid shit or whatever. And then come five o'clock okay and then it was just do everything I can to be asleep by midnight so from from five o'clock on it's like beer weed uh you know whatever but I I totally get what you mean where you're you're constantly sort of like what goes up must come down and you're you're you're sort of chemically trying to play ping pong all the time with your absolutely
Jeff:
[19:38] Absolutely Christopher Knowles talks about it all the time. He said he was trapped in a pharmacological hell. And the Buddhists talk about when we seek pleasure, when we continuously seek pleasure, we will actually go into the hell realm. So Tyler, you know, even though they weren't the same drugs, it takes us to the same place. You know, and I'm sure that's where you found yourself.
Tyler:
[20:04] I think an alcohol addiction versus a hard drug, The key difference is that at the worst of my drinking, I lived in a, in a place that was directly above a wine store across the street from two grocery stores that both had liquor licenses and a gas station. And I'm talking all within five minutes of walking from each other, you know, and in 24 hours a day. So that makes it a lot harder to abstain, I think, than it necessarily chemically needs to be. The other thing is that like um you know with alcohol withdrawal you'll actually fucking die you know what i mean like you'll your body will like seize up on itself because it's so used to it um versus from what i understand you could totally educate me here withdrawing from heroin is really freaky but it won't like kill you you know it's like uh like train spotting i think is sort of the best thing that i have referenced for what that would be like
Jeff:
[21:03] No you're spot on in this quest to find myself because Tyler, I just never wanted to give up never wanted to give up but I do remember being in a Wichita detox facility and it was the free facility and I, I was in a room with 13 heroin addicts all puking on each other with no medications to detox off. We didn't get ibuprofen. Sure. I mean, we were eating cereal for breakfast. It was a rough go. But in that was... Now, you can die, but it is very rare.
Jeff:
[21:42] Right. But in that facility, I've watched alcoholics die in Rio of the grand mal seizures.
Tyler:
[21:51] Yeah. I mean, dude, having a, like having withdrawal from alcohol, uh, even when you're being treated for it, like if you're not asleep, it can cause you to hallucinate. This happened to me. Like I was full blown, like from my perspective, I was having like a, a spiritual experience, but I mean, from the hospital's perspective, I'm hallucinating. Right. For like three days, it was a long it took a long time to like recover just just to get back to baseline um and that was and that was pretty hard and i wasn't like to be honest with you i know a lot of people who are alcoholics and i don't even think i begin to crest the you know the middle of that standard deviation whatever that bell curve looks like i just think i was like pretty bad you know like yeah no
Jeff:
[22:39] I and you want to tyler um, Being around, I really much pride myself like a military person. I've always been a man of discipline and honor and pushing the limits. And so I find myself around a lot of people that reform our military and our current military. And you don't know how many times I've heard that story. You know, guys in the Air Force that developed a drinking problem. And, and it's, you know, you don't really want to go to your commander. I don't think because there's such a stigma and I know that's changing.
Tyler:
[23:17] Um, no, people don't. Yeah. People don't generally tell their commanders about their alcohol, unless it, because you usually it's because someone gets a DUI or has some other incident. They, they literally call it an alcohol related incident. Like if you get into some other kind of trouble and alcohol is involved, like you were drinking at the time that's like a mandatory like you're going to go talk to we're not necessarily going to do anything to you but you are definitely going to go talk to somebody about this you know yeah and i think the airport i can't speak for the other branches but i'm sure it's very similar have come a long way in terms of kind of redirecting people who have even if it's like a drug problem if you self-identify like let's just say you have a coke habit and you don't want to get kicked out of the military it would be better for you to just go self-declare and check yourself into rehab then then it would be for them to find out some other way right yeah yeah yeah and because did
Jeff:
[24:14] You did you stop drinking after you left the military.
Tyler:
[24:17] Oh yeah it was years years after honestly it got worse after i left the military because i think that as as much as i was a functional alcoholic to some degree while I was serving for that, at least eight or 12 hours a day that I was in uniform.
Tyler:
[24:34] There was no negotiating. I was just not going to drink or be drunk during that time. Right. There was, there were like real consequences to that. And I think after I no longer had that, um, structure prebuilt into my life and I could just do whatever I wanted. There was a couple of years there when I was like, Oh fuck, I could just do whatever I want. Like there's no rules. Yeah. Like if I want to wake up on Saturday and just start drinking in the morning and go to sleep at two o'clock in the afternoon, there's no, no one's going to tell me otherwise And no one's going to come knocking on my door, tell me to go do whatever. So it was really easy to kind of fall into that trap. Um, yeah. And, but I totally get what you mean with the going between the two poles of, you know, like, well, if I take too much of this downer, so then I got to take this other thing so that I could still stay awake or whatever, or, or I'm trying to come down from taking too much fucking meth. So I need to stick myself with this needle so I can actually get some rest. And you know, the thing is that it never works. That's the, that's the, the hard part for me is like when I kind of distanced myself from all of it, look back on it. I'm like, I was every day was this kind of constant battle between those two drugs to balance me out. And never once did I get the balance, right? Not even close.
Jeff:
[25:51] Like, yeah. Yeah. And now did you end up going to Alcoholics Anonymous or was, what was your path to back to, to hell?
Tyler:
[26:00] Um well i know i wanted to quit for a really long time and i just kind of like really couldn't i was yeah yeah i think uh getting getting into the the relationship that became my marriage was like kind of at the very beginning sort of a i need i knew i needed to be better because i wanted to be better for another person you know what i'm saying like i felt like i was This is a burden that I'm carrying around. It's going to weigh it down to anybody that I'm with. So that was kind of like the first real push of like, I need to get myself under control. And I had also just moved back to the United States at the time too. So I was, I had a lot going on. I'm like, I'm going to figure out what I'm going to do with my life, all that kind of stuff.
Jeff:
[26:46] Where did you move to then from?
Tyler:
[26:49] So I moved from Denmark where I'd lived for like two years.
Tyler:
[26:53] I moved first to Alabama, which is where my family's from, like South Alabama. Oh, nice. Okay. Right. And I was just going to like, because I keep all my stuff there. Like when I moved to Europe, I left all my stuff at my parents' house. I'm like, okay, I'll go back there. I'll kind of, I have severance at the time. So I'll just like take some, a few months to regroup and figure out what I want to do.
Tyler:
[27:13] And what I ended up doing was moving in with my then girlfriend. She lived in Arizona. So I moved to Arizona. Right.
Tyler:
[27:20] Um and i was drinking like a fucking horse still at this point it was it was a problem i would wake up in the morning the first thing i would think about was drinking most of the time right um and if i went too long i would you know get not like i was having like seizures but i was definitely get like shaky you can it feels like like if you have died and probably to a degree there is a lot to do with this as sugar intake forget about alcohol but if you're drinking fucking red wine and shit all the time oh absolutely yeah um and forget about you know having a healthy diet around that too because most of the time you know you're drinking so much you forget to eat or whatever oh yeah
Tyler:
[27:57] And then at 2 a.m you're scarfing down food to try to make up for it and then you pass out and you know whatever um but i think what really like the thing that made me get sober was first of all i was really suffering with it to the point where i would like i would be waking up in bed and then like feeling terrible and crying and like I was alone for a couple weeks so one day I literally I was like praying like please God give me a reason to just stop doing this like clearly I don't have the willpower to to just stop drinking of my own accord you know I've been trying for so long and it's just not working so that day I had to go pick up my wife she at the time was still my girlfriend but I went to go pick her up from the airport I brought her back home and she asked me to open up her suitcase when we got back to the house. And when I did, she had a baby clothes saying like, Hey, we're going to be parents. You know, I found, she just found out while she was on vacation.
Tyler:
[28:54] So I did not drink any more after like, that was my moment. That was kind of like, okay, that I, the answer to my prayers, it was like, yeah, I have that reason. And I just haven't touched alcohol since.
Jeff:
[29:05] Oh, that's, that's amazing. I heard, uh, Pierre Sabac says that women teach us how to become men yeah for sure they teach us how to act how to because um again my i couldn't i originally got sober in 2014 right and i couldn't do it for me but i could do it for my my five-year-old son right yeah and you know there was there was something about, needing something bigger than ourselves even.
Tyler:
[29:36] Just a pet or something you know even if
Jeff:
[29:38] Yeah Absolutely, absolutely.
Tyler:
[29:42] But we value other things more than we value ourselves. Statistically, you are more likely to make sure your dog takes medicine that it gets from the vet than you are to accurately administer to yourself your own prescription drugs.
Jeff:
[29:56] That's right.
Tyler:
[29:57] You know?
Jeff:
[29:57] Oh, absolutely. No, and I believe it. I got cleaned up in the Alcoholics Anonymous rooms because where we were at, there was no treatments. And, well, we did have treatment centers. They were $150,000, and they weren't having a lot of success. So at the end of the road, it was like an old, crusty old building with a bunch of AA guys that kind of pointed out really the root of addiction is selfishness and self-centeredness. And when we can get away from that, when we can start to begin to heal.
Tyler:
[30:33] It's hedonism by definition.
Jeff:
[30:36] Absolutely.
Tyler:
[30:37] Just full-blown, unadulterated, unfiltered, hedonistic behavior.
Jeff:
[30:42] Absolutely. Absolutely. And in my path, you know, it's taken a couple of tries. I got sober for three years. I'm lit the program. Tyler, when I realized I could not stop using it. I would stop for a month. I would get cleaned up. I'd go to rehab. I'd come out. I'd have some big business idea. And then I'd get a new girlfriend.
Jeff:
[31:03] And then I would still struggle with the autism. stuff. Like, what do I say to her? How do I communicate? Am I going to be funny? Am I going to be exciting enough? And so I knew that if I took opioids, I'd always be the class of them. And, um, so this, this last, uh, go around, I was, I mean, I had, uh, it, it, it basically evolved into doing things that I never said I was going to do, which was needles. I never considered that I would ever be using a needle.
Tyler:
[31:40] How were you taking heroin before the needle?
Jeff:
[31:43] Before the needle, I was actually mostly doing Oxycontin. I was doing Percocets, Lortabs. I didn't want to take that next step really. Saving money. Saving money, even though it was more expensive. I could have bought heroin and meth cheaper. But, you know, But when they cracked down on prescription painkillers, essentially they were off the streets. You couldn't buy them. So you were left with heroin and meth. They were coming from the drug cartels that were coming from China mostly or Afghanistan or wherever, from Laos, wherever it comes, if there's a desire, it will be produced.
Jeff:
[32:30] At that point, I started over this. And so I started journeying into these other realms. I didn't know because I was not into the metaphysical at the time. Very nuts and bolts, very analytical. But I remember going into these realms and being very confused and not knowing who I was. I'm not knowing where I was at. And so anyways, I had a friend. He says god he goes i watched a joe rogan episode on youtube and they're having extreme success with um with ayahuasca and with psychedelics healing addiction yeah so i started searching i could not find anywhere that i didn't couldn't find the center couldn't find it couldn't find anything except for a drug dealer so my current fiance right now she was able to find some magic mushrooms that came from a corn field in the middle of Augusta, Kansas. She gave them to me that night about six years ago. I had a very similar experience the first time I took opioids. This was more of a spiritual experience that I was directly connected to spirit.
Jeff:
[33:51] During this incarnation, I am who I am. When I came in with a full plan from this imaginary realm and when you come in it seems like everything is basically been occulted you have this you've been placed in a state of amnesia where you don't remember what you had basically set yourself up for but it's a gradual remembering, and anyways.
Jeff:
[34:20] Later I still couldn't get sober just with the magic mushrooms but on March 29th 2020, I went to a retreat center in Orlando, Florida. It was called SoulQuest Ayahuasca. I didn't really know what I was getting myself into. At the time, Tyler, I was prescribed to Suboxone and Adderall as a way to transition from some of the harder drugs into sobriety, but I couldn't stop taking those. They had a very strict policy that you could not take prescription drugs two weeks prior to the retreat because of interactions with ayahuasca and with, more specifically, the suboxone, because they had let me know upon arrival, as long as I didn't take suboxone, I'd be fine, but somebody had previously died there at the retreats and were taking suboxone. Well, here I am, spent my last $1,000 on this retreat, and I wouldn't be able to do it because I took Suboxone. So I just told him a big fat lie. I said, no, I didn't take Suboxone.
Jeff:
[35:30] Anyways, the next day, we did a macro dose journey. It was 95 degrees. I was laying on the Florida ground with basically in the dirt, in the grass, in nature.
Jeff:
[35:43] And the previous night's experience didn't really hit me that much. I wasn't too worried about it.
Jeff:
[35:49] And about 30 minutes into the whole experience, somebody literally was rushed to the hospital. Every one of the shaman that were there, the guides, they all took this guide. And they took him to the hospital and I remember myself my my heart again there was no I felt a complete stop of my heart my brain and I was I was definitely overheating and I couldn't speak and there was nobody there to see me and I'm like man this is how I'm going out Tyler this is it and there was a young woman that came over and she saw that I was struggling and I kind of mouthed I took some box home and they panicked. They panicked. They tried to stay calm, got everybody around me.
Jeff:
[36:36] And I was going in and out of consciousness for a long time.
Jeff:
[36:39] And I remember I was walking through the African savannah and I was actually an elephant. And I mean, this is crazy because metaphorical, but I was this elephant and I see a dead or well, I see it looks like a hurting, like an animal that's down. And I go to investigate it. And I start to look at this baby elephant. And it morphs into myself within a coffin. And I look up and everybody is talking about me. And they're saying, oh, he was such a nice young gentleman. He was so kind. And he was always so honest. You can't believe another soul was taken by addiction.
Jeff:
[37:21] And I looked up and I saw everybody grung and I saw two, well, more specifically, a young little girl who looked about to be the age of two or three and she said, Dad, don't give up. There's so much more for you in the future. Just don't give up, please, Dad. And anyways, I made it through the experience and didn't use. And a year later, my daughter was born on my next half day.
Jeff:
[37:52] And she came into the world and man, it was just, again, it was another one of those kind of milestones. Like, man, I'm on the right path. I'm headed in the right direction. I know that every step I take brings progress. All I got to do is just keep moving forward and not let these distractions, you know, not let this voice in my head basically redirect me from what my path truly is. I've got to stay in the spirit. The only way I can stay in the spirit is staying in the heart because there was some sort of feeling that the human genome had been altered at some point. And everybody talks about how, oh, we were dumb, dumb monkey apes. And then all of a sudden, you know, these reptilians come along and they alter our DNA and they make us so smart. I found the opposite to be true, that we were altered, our lives were shortened, that...
Jeff:
[38:50] Getting into the work of Damien Dumas and Nathaniel Gillis, necrogenetics. I'm a big biology guy. And from what I understand, they use dead DNA material of humans to create the homo sapiens sapien, which would be controlled through a back door, which is called the subconscious mind. And that would be that arconic voice that would always be in the head. And I don't know if some of this is karma, how much of it is just inevitable.
Jeff:
[39:22] It could all just not be true. But there is some resonance that I felt that I needed to at least investigate everything from a fresh start, that I needed to take everything that I knew from academia and everything that I knew from science and throw down the drain and then rebuild it. And again, the biggest mistake, I heard somebody in your podcast say, Zachariah Setchum is a pseudo-scholar.
Tyler:
[39:50] That was Dr. Justin Sledge.
Jeff:
[39:54] Oh, yeah, I think he was great.
Tyler:
[39:56] I think he's a brilliant guy. I just think that he comes from that world of academia. He literally is a doctor. He spent most of his life in school.
Jeff:
[40:09] Absolutely.
Tyler:
[40:10] And that's really how they address things. It's not like a full-blown sort of like, I'm sure he would say the same thing about Grant Hancock. He may have said the same thing about Grant Hancock in that same interview. And I try to just think about that sort of thing as...
Tyler:
[40:26] Like, okay, that's his opinion, and it's a valid enough opinion, because I wouldn't say this about Graham Hancock. I think that his research is as legitimate as could be. His conclusions you may disagree with, but the things that he uncovers are questions worth asking. Um but Sitchin I have my own I agree with him and I was kind of trying to get him to say the same thing that I would have said which is that I don't believe Zechariah Sitchin could really read definitively Sumerian I just don't think it's possible um that's why I question his ideas I think if Sitchin had published the 12 planet as a novel I think I said this to Tim too that people would think is one of the best novels ever. I'm reading Foundation right now, which you studied Freemasons, you know? Reading Isaac Asimov's Foundation right now, which is like a super, super big book in the world of Freemasonry. I don't know why. It's a work of fiction. Several of the books that you encounter in Freemasonry are works of fiction, like The Brother of a Third Degree, these really epic novels, but that kind of teach the lessons that they're interested in.
Jeff:
[41:41] No, absolutely.
Tyler:
[41:43] Yeah. So I think that allegorically, the 12th planet makes a lot of fucking sense. I think that scientifically, we have no fucking clue if this guy can or cannot really read Sumerian. And there doesn't seem to be any sort of consensus amongst scholars specifically. What that would look like you know
Jeff:
[42:05] Oh i know and tyler you know i think you're going to be really surprised with my take on sitchin yeah because i i do i think he is a pseudo scholar i really do to an extent because here's my here's my uh argument on this is that, i think that what we'll do is we'll throw out all of sitchin's research because of some, inconsistencies and that's the biggest thing is i don't want to throw out all of his work What I did find about Sitchkin was that he was directly connected to the house of Rothschild, and that's going to be very important to know, and also to Inky. And I also have found connections with Mossad and to the Masons. And so when I make connections like that, I just say we cannot trust the validity of his work because of that. Because of these connections, that they can tell the truth in-house, but that this information has been classified to an extent not for you and I's class, only for the Masons, only for the Brotherhood, only for Masao, only for the Bloodline. And I did it. Sitchin and Hancock both come from the London School of Economics, which you have to be a brilliant person to get in there.
Tyler:
[43:30] So does Mick Jagger.
Jeff:
[43:32] Oh, does he really?
Tyler:
[43:34] Yeah, there's a lot. Look, I'm not discrediting what you're about to say. I'm just saying a lot of people went to the London School of Economics.
Jeff:
[43:41] Oh, absolutely. Well, here's my thing is, is that just from there are certain things that can't be said or they have to be said in code. And this is what I've kind of found. This has been my, I guess, thesis about the phenomenon. When we give away the phenomenon, Essentially, it has to be written abstractly. It has to be written in mathematical code. It has to be written in music, architecture, through fiction. You can take those fictions as similar to, but you can't just give them away. You have to, somebody, it would be for a young person to just, instead of going out and exploring and finding things out for themselves, just being like, here's how it is. So, uh, I don't have, I listened to like Jordan Maxwell. He talks about how Sitchin was a brilliant man. And that because people only get to see the circus level that they're just like, Oh, he's a, he's a pseudo scientist and he's not a real researcher.
Tyler:
[44:52] My issue was dismissing him as a pseudoscience that I understand how you feel. Like when someone says oh he's not a real scholar or he's a pseudonym that's suicide what what what i don't like is that once you've used that pejorative term you no longer are required to like address any of the questions that get brought up so like forget about sitchin like just like von daniken's books where he he just asks questions he's like what about this what do we think about that i'm sitting in me that this was you know something like could it could it be and everything things sort of presented in that way. And I feel like just so many people... Look at something like that dismiss it as pseudoscience and then just don't address the questions that got asked that's what that was what i and you know maybe if i have dr sludge on again and i probably will um that's one of the things that i would like try to readdress and retackle because i i think in that first interview i kind of just i didn't do a really good job of making that point i was just i was i mentioned that i read them all and i was like kind of what's on what's your take on that and then i didn't get any further than just oh that's just pseudoscience Oh,
Jeff:
[46:03] Absolutely. And you know what? If you were going to ask me point blank, what do you think about Sitchin? I really like him, and I think he was a great researcher, and I think he has done a lot for humanity. Again, when somebody is connected to certain groups, it really does take away from the true scientific, I would say, because you are kind of already making certain assumptions based on what you have believed. But switching through an occult lens, if you look at all this work through an occult lens, it makes so much sense. I'm like, spot on.
Tyler:
[46:43] Tyler. Everything makes more sense when viewed from an occult lens. Absolutely. That's what's so frustrating because I feel like in the religious world, especially, one of my favorite podcasts lately is like, big shout out, I'm going to try to get this dude on my show too. There's a show called Almost False. Hosted by this dude named gabriel and all he does is just interview people who've had in his own words extraordinary experiences but it's all like i got really deep into a satanic cult or witchcraft or something like that had a near-death experience and then i came to christ every episode is like this you know what i mean um but it's it just as a i'm just glad it exists because there's so many of these interviews that you can just listen to and get all these different it's a lot of data right absolutely and the guy doing the research like he
Tyler:
[47:33] He's just really i mean clearly he comes from a christian point of view and that's fine with me but i'm just saying he's really good at just letting people kind of tell their stories and kind of drawing out you know going further along but not like uh not judging at any point but
Tyler:
[47:51] One of the things that is really interesting as you listen to that is that like every single one of these stories um where someone gets into the occult they always bring it up in those or if you listen to priests when they're talking about this kind of stuff um whether that be orthodox or catholic or whatever or are always just saying like um there's a direct correlation i think even our you know ghostwriter friends would say there's a direct correlation between uh experiences with these phenomena and things like drugs and the occult like if it's a pretty good chance if you find someone who's playing with ouija boards or tarot cards they would tell you that if you see someone who has that stuff there's a good chance that they're you know having negative interactions with what they call demons from their perspective right absolutely but the truth is that there's lots of people out there who are dabbling into this stuff and it is true that when you do find these bad things that is someone who's done this and gone awry in a lot of cases but that doesn't mean that it's like inherently um i don't want to say it's not dangerous it's certainly dangerous if you come from a perspective that believes in the spiritual world someone who's just
Tyler:
[49:03] Playing with a Ouija board in their basement giggling and they don't know what they're talking to that's like a super stereotypical story or someone who's being
Tyler:
[49:13] Experiencing night terrors and being abducted by aliens or something like that or shadow man kind of experiences there's a distinct difference I think between Like the two facts that stand. One is that 100% of cases like this involves something that has to do with the occult. The other one that is not 100% of people who are researching the occult or know about the occult are having these negative experiences directly. Get what I'm saying?
Jeff:
[49:40] Absolutely.
Tyler:
[49:40] But the way that people are taught to interface with this stuff is that it's all 100% bad. It's 100% like you're just begging to be courted by the devil if you even touch this stuff.
Jeff:
[49:51] Absolutely, yeah.
Tyler:
[49:53] Um uh ml bullock was on my show quite i think it was in like october or november last year but she's a paranormal researcher but she you were talking about allegories and symbols and stuff like that she only tells true stories about her research but she does it all through the lens of fiction so every one of her books is like a fictionalized version of a real case just to avoid like what i was saying about stitching earlier like oh absolutely yeah absolutely because the people who are going to believe it are going to believe that's what one of the most interesting things that I have learned in life. Fiction or nonfiction, the label does not matter. People will believe in what they want to believe in.
Jeff:
[50:30] Absolutely.
Tyler:
[50:31] Like Harry Potter sounds more appealing than, I don't know, like Something From Nothing by Neil Strauss. Or whatever that guy's name is. Yeah. If it sounds more appealing to you, then you're going to believe in Harry Potter more.
Jeff:
[50:46] No, absolutely. Absolutely. Listening to your history, Tyler, throughout some of your other episodes, there was. So I got sober five years ago after my experience with Iowa.
Tyler:
[51:00] Right.
Jeff:
[51:01] And when I got sober, I was so tired of statistics. I wanted to, again, I needed to, I had a lot of time and I needed to fill some time. So it just started originally as I'm really interested in history. Maybe I'm going to start studying history again. So I went back to where I was taught that history began, which was Sumer. And then, you know, as I started to look on the different platforms for information on Sumer, I run across Billy Carson.
Tyler:
[51:39] Oh hold on i got i got some of his books in here somewhere i i have uh his emerald tablet compendium and i have the other the other one that he he wrote with that what's the the anunnaki book with that oh
Jeff:
[51:52] With matthew la croix.
Tyler:
[51:53] Yeah yeah yeah absolutely absolutely some of them look i i like billy carson but those are some of the most poorly edited shitty fucking books absolutely yeah yeah Yeah, like really bad. I personally, I think I could have with Microsoft Word published a better looking text. But the information is the information.
Jeff:
[52:16] No, absolutely. And right now, Billy is kind of the, I would say, the butt of a lot of jokes in this community. He's kind of one of those guys that isn't being labeled as a grifter, even though I don't really think that he is. I think that Billy isn't a specialist in any field. He just knows a little bit about everything.
Tyler:
[52:39] He makes himself look really bad when he... Says something as if it is a hundred percent fact proven true and then like clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about when he's in a in a conversation with like an expert on something you know what i mean so like he he has this like synoptic view of like the story he's trying to tell the information he's trying to convey and i think he gets he's he gets so lost in being definitive about it like absolutely so certain of his point of view and then but one of the things that came up with him was you know he cites uh well if you could look at some of these extra biblical texts um they will indicate that i think his thing was like jesus uh did not die or something like that you know jesus wasn't crucified and it his sources for this are very easily dismissed not because they're extra biblical but because they're like i can prove to you that that's a a fraudulent document like i can show you why that was written in 1600 you know ad and oh absolutely and yeah i
Jeff:
[53:51] Was wondering if that's who you were talking about when you with with reading samarian yeah because in that joe rogan interview joe point blank asked billy can you read sumerian and i'm pretty good with body language and i could you could kind of pick up that he was joshing him a.
Tyler:
[54:10] Little bit i'll be honest with you i think billy carson can read english yes and i'm not i would love to talk to like i'm super open-minded and i am a fan of his work and i even i even had his tv app the forbidden knowledge tv channel just so i could watch a couple of the documentaries that were on there absolutely and honestly a lot of it is crap like his anunnaki documentary is like him and uh he's just like standing in front of a green screen telling you stuff that you could see on youtube yeah and then uh the other documentary that i watched it was like about antarctica and it was like a super low budget documentary and it gets to the point where they're talking about like green ooze coming out of the cracks of antarctica like in the x-files um and look i think that there's that's all really cool and entertaining and fun but it it makes me question how much uh i'm not saying his ethics are like bad like i'm not like i'm not saying he's a straight-up grifter where he's just trying to make a money grip i'm saying i think he's not very filtering bullshit out so like the the amount of truth you're getting out of Billy Carson, you've got to filter out however much BS is also in there. And not because he's lying to you, but because he clearly doesn't filter a lot.
Tyler:
[55:32] He doesn't do research. He doesn't, he's, he's not necessarily having dialogue, uh, peacefully with other, uh, experts in their fields. So what he should be doing is constantly readjusting what he thinks based on new information, but he seems to not do that.
Jeff:
[55:47] No absolutely and and when i heard his um his take on the robert morning sky material i was just like blown away i'm thinking you know it almost seems like he just uh again didn't do any research he might have just taken little bits and clips out of out of uh you know potential interviews and put it all together. And so I just wasn't impressed. And really, I guess that's kind of Tyler, what I wanted to talk to you about was the reason why I call it the angelic symphony, was for the last seven years, I really have been kind of, I would say new per se outside of my fiance and children in my day-to-day operations. I've been quiet.
Jeff:
[56:37] I just wanted to listen because there's like you said there's so much data there's so much information there's so much material and throughout this process i found the best minds in the world i mean holy mass authors musicians artists common folk everybody i have listened to their message and each person seems to be telling a slightly different story and so uh nathaniel gillis talks about how the phenomenon almost comes to us and it does it creates this like you know very unique abstract reality for each individual and so.
Jeff:
[57:18] What I found it to be really difficult to try to decipher all of the brilliant lines that we listen to every day throughout podcasts, lectures, books, and how am I going to organize all this? So what I did was I took all the data together and it started to form what I would call is patterns. And in the patterns, I could see different stories that were being told. And the best way that I found to decipher all the information was just to take in a researcher like Billy Carson. Billy, believe it or not, according to the mathematical probability, he was right about a lot of the I would say, about his general thesis, a lot of his doctrines, a lot of his information was correct. But he didn't cite any sources. He didn't provide any references. It was all Billy stuff.
Tyler:
[58:14] He and Tim both have the same problem where they try to like put direct web links in a text you know oh
Jeff:
[58:21] Yeah that can be.
Tyler:
[58:22] And then it's like a dead link or it's like that's your source like it's just some article on the internet you know it makes you look it makes you look like a joke next to a scholar it's the same thing with terrence howard right terrence howard he was you know brilliant uh i don't know channeling of some under he understood something mathematically that a lot of people didn't get he had his thesis on uh you know on it was on i think rogan and a few other shows where he was showing like these models of like how he thinks gravity works and he's got these patents for these machines that he keeps talking about right and when faced with scrutiny it's like you did have some really cool ideas but the world of math is going to tear you apart because you're simply not you're not doing the things that they expect from you and and in some ways you are dead you're like so wrong because you don't understand what fuck you're talking about in so many ways and yet still there's a kernel of truth here that you did find out um that was a very interesting way of viewing it but it's the same in in every sort of every one of these kind of alex jones too you know yeah
Jeff:
[59:30] No absolutely no it's funny you brought up those names because those you know i was trying to find so throughout the angelic symphony i would write each brilliant author or polymath by level of character. Now, Tim Kelly did score the highest as far as somebody that I genuinely think is a loyalist.
Tyler:
[59:53] You're giving people a survey? How are you scoring this thing?
Jeff:
[59:57] Well, there's a lot of factors. One is character. I'm reading body language. I'm going through all the old materials.
Jeff:
[1:00:06] Trying to see if anything was deceptive, if I felt like the person was being deceptive, if they were potentially plundering other people's work to steal their ideas and use them without referencing them. So tim got a hundred out of a hundred on character sure but but one of the parts like you said you know his uh his general makeup of his story is i guess um it's all supported by books like r.a. Boulet flying dragons and serpents which is a phenomenal book but tyler it was written in the 1980s. And I just don't know R.A. Bollet, the name Ra. When you see Ra in there, you know that there's a secret society connection probably somewhere, potentially.
Jeff:
[1:00:55] So that worries me. But even Tony Bigsby, The Secret in the Bible, I really like Tony Bigsby and I like his work. But if he turns out to have been a plant or somebody that was working to get information put into culture, then the whole thing falls apart because it's kind of like a math equation. If one variable is off, the whole equation goes awry. And you can see it. I don't know if you play college basketball or March Madness, but when you fill out a bracket and you select a certain team, if they lose, then your whole bracket falls apart.
Jeff:
[1:01:37] So in this alternative community i'm kind of looking at like at least from my opinion who who got the most hits as far as you know tim did score really high on character he also scored the highest as far as like health healing alternative um methods for for regaining your health um optimal civilization tim was probably the most knowledgeable, on how to build an optimal civilization.
Tyler:
[1:02:09] I think he just needs to learn how to market himself.
Jeff:
[1:02:13] Yeah, absolutely.
Tyler:
[1:02:15] From my perspective, it's like, and I had a few people even write me about this, like his, you know, his website where he's just like, okay, just email me and I'll send you a PDF of my book for an undisclosed amount of money or whatever just seems so like 1996 he needs to you know like get on get into his stuff into online stores or you know some some or even if it's just like kindle or whatever just where it's easily accessible and not like pdf trading which yeah yeah i'm working on i know he's working on that but yeah i would also say to get back to your point it's sort of a house built out of straw kind of thing with you know basing your your theory of how the you know the history of the entire world on some of these ideas that we we don't like okay sure that's your source but what is that person's source and if if any one of these things falls apart then your entire idea like sort of falls apart and i think i think there's like a lot of room for like a general picture that you know Okay, so let's just say he's right about the Anunnaki or the Pleiadians, right?
Tyler:
[1:03:33] That's great. But that doesn't mean that he's also right about geoengineering, and it doesn't mean that he's also right about— There's a lot of this— Yes. He believes in two things, which is like one of them I could be like, okay, maybe, and the other one I'm like, okay, I think you really fucking— you might be on drugs, the fact that you believe this to be true. Yeah. And I try to be super open-minded. I even looked more into some of the stuff that he sent me about geoengineering and I'm like, nah, dude, you gotta, I think you need to point your time and your intelligence at something better than this. And he also seems like the kind of person who's a bit handicapped by that kind of stuff where he's so overwhelmed about doing everything as ethically and perfectly as possible that you never really get anything done. So i'm i worry someone like him will go so far down a rabbit hole that is not the one that we want them to go down right if he goes down rabbit hole a he might discover something really truly interesting if he goes down rabbit hole b he's just gonna you know be stuck there forever and never get out and and it won't lead to anything useful
Jeff:
[1:04:42] Yeah yeah yeah because when we get into this galactic history.
Tyler:
[1:04:48] Sure.
Jeff:
[1:04:49] Really, at the end of the day, Tyler, it's all conjecture. It's all speculation. Yes. I mean, it really is. So we could argue until, you know, until the sun goes down about, you know, what happened previously to now. But really, there's just not enough evidence right now. Well, and some of it is. What I liked about Tim was what I found was guys like Graham Hancock. Who have channels with 20 million people on them, I did not find the same, uh, level of character within Graham Hancock, even Greg Carlwood. Who's one of my, this is like, I, uh, when I found the higher side chats with Greg Carlwood, it put the work of Billy Carson and Daya, Lynn casting, even Tim Kelly. It really helps focus. When I looked at it through an occult lens, boy, it started coming together. And I found guys like Barry Fitzgerald and Steve Mara. I really started to make some progress.
Tyler:
[1:05:56] How do you get in touch with all these people? People always ask me that too. So I figure it's only fair to ask it on the air.
Jeff:
[1:06:03] Gosh, to be honest, Tyler, I've never, Tim Kelly's the only one that I reached out to. I was listening to Forbidden Knowledge News and I told you about my mentor who was an old truck driver. I call him the truck driving philosopher because this man was brilliant. He passed away. And when you get into this kind of research and you get into these topics, there's not going to be very many people that you can communicate and have conversations with about this. So it was a lonely world. And I never met any of these people, but I've listened to them. I would say over and over and over that hermeneutical spiral where you get to know the material so well that it changes and morphs and you begin to get to know the person. But 10 was one I felt like, I was meditating and I just felt like, Hey, this is going to be your mentor. And so I reached out to Tim and I said, Tim, you know, I've been silent for the last five years. I haven't talked to anybody about this stuff. I have a lot of data and information. I would just like to have a friend to be able to share with back and forth. So him and I have just been emailing each other and I did interview Tim. um but again i again.
Tyler:
[1:07:28] For your podcast which is still upcoming um
Jeff:
[1:07:30] It is it is and tyler as you know like i got four children i have a beautiful fiance we we moved to the space coast which is right here in cape canaveral melbourne florida we're 15 minutes from nasa we're 20 minutes from space force we're another 30 minutes from the collins aerospace and i live pretty much on the grounds of an ancient city known as window window now from what i understand this was ancient poseidon uh a dr alexander coltypen who studies he was a geologist and he started studying in the earth and what he found was in the layers a forgotten epoch a forgotten time where humans potentially were more advanced than what we are today and we're just playing catch up now At least, and I don't know if that's true, Tyler, I really need more time to come up, you know, to, to, to put together a final thesis, but it seems to be true because when I travel up and down the river, I can find all kinds of artifacts. I know that NASA did not choose that location without a lot of strategic planning. And I would say probably it seems to be energetic signature. Wherever you go in the world, Rawlings, Kentucky. And I know that you know this stuff. Mammoth Cave.
Tyler:
[1:08:55] Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jeff:
[1:08:57] You know, I think there's an energetic signature everywhere you go that no matter the sands of time, that it recreates itself.
Tyler:
[1:09:06] Well, how about like the entire town of Somerset, Kentucky is built on top of like a huge quartz deposit. And it's also like the most paranormal city, like one of the most paranormal places in America.
Jeff:
[1:09:18] Now, you're the only person I've ever heard that has ever known this because I will always mention this. And there's another quartz deposit right on cincinnati right under sedona um which seems to have these positive magnetic anomalies which seems to affect behavior but you're absolutely right laura laura knight glosick she is a scientist in the truth sense and she found the same thing she called them the kentuckians sure there were there were and when i knew so i lived in Bend, Oregon for a while, right next to Klamath Falls, and they talk about an advanced race.
Tyler:
[1:09:54] I used to do the weather for Klamath Falls. Didn't you really? Yeah, I put out weather warnings for them all the time.
Jeff:
[1:09:59] The natives there, now they speak of a group called the Wawas, and Robert Seffer cross references this stuff, but they said they were extremely moral, and they were at the highest honor and integrity. These people didn't lie, and supposedly they taught the natives in the area. everything they know. And then they left and, and they had, you know, and this probably goes into these converses coming across the Atlantic in 1492 being kicked out of Europe and the natives thinking this is the same group that had been there before. And.
Jeff:
[1:10:37] It's just a really, really interesting dynamic. But what I'm trying to say is, right now, we're watching all of our systems fail.
Jeff:
[1:10:50] I am working 60 hours a week. Now, when I work, I work completely alone. I'm doing pest control. I have one headphone in, and I will listen to lectures all day long. And then I'll go back and I'll recap the lecture. I'll try to summarize it. Then I'll put all the notes together. And on the weekends, I put the notes together and I put them into a mathematical form, which I can see patterns. And then in the patterns, I kind of found the stories, but I've been trying to start a podcast. I've been trying to start a business, but it's like we're on a conveyor belt. We got to make $1,600 to be able to pay rent. All of our bills are like 75% of what our wage is. So me and my fiancé have been trying to do this the right way, and it just seems like we're going nowhere. And so throughout my meditations and through my prayers, I felt like I needed one opportunity to share myself with the world. And I just kept waiting and waiting and waiting. And when I met Tim and he directed me to you and I looked into your research, I was like, Isn't this so synchronistic because, you know, with your history into etymology and language and NHIs and your experience in the Air Force and alcoholism, this is the perfect person to interview me.
Tyler:
[1:12:15] What's really interesting about all that stuff is that it's completely by coincidence. I don't have like a deep background in paranormal stuff aside from just like a, you know, a hobby interest. Right. um but yeah and like i didn't go join the air force looking for for aliens and i didn't find any either so i didn't yeah yeah that's funny um but so i was going to bring this up earlier but one of the key things to remember about the locations of all these places is that they largely uh choose them based on the weather right because you want the weather conditions to be good so that's why you put you know aside from the loose hurricane cape canaveral is a great fucking place to launch a rocket straight out through the atmosphere same thing with vandenberg california even though vandenberg is like really really foggy it's like always foggy so they'll launch a rocket and you won't even be able to see it i knew people who've like gone to see a spacex launch it uh launch a rocket there and like they travel they stand there and it's like the rocket lifts off and you don't see it because it's so cloudy but yeah
Jeff:
[1:13:18] Yeah now like i so in the evening time we'll all go out and watch them and my house will shake with so much vigor you know when we first got here we're like what is going on and they were truly spectacular.
Tyler:
[1:13:34] So this is let me finish this point real fast i just want to before i forget it so what's interesting about like some of the research to do with uh like geospatial satellite imagery um especially when you're looking at infrared or lidar this all this kind of stuff um or geomagnetic anomalies this is this is a key So when you are looking at the like synoptic or like planetary scale weather patterns,
Tyler:
[1:14:04] One of the key ways that you know how the weather is going to go from early on is you're looking at what we call negative anomaly, right? So like a low pressure anomaly. So it's like, according to how it's usually on average this time of year and in this location, the pressure is abnormally low in that area. And that's how you know, okay, bad weather is coming from that period. That's for sure. The question is locations on the earth and the way that the currents flow and also the distribution of the magnetic poles seems like there are kind of key places all over the world where um conditions are good for these sorts of things and that's the question is do they do they choose these locations for the pyramids whatever um knowing that beforehand or do they choose these things and then like when you look back at all the other factors so if you if you cross-reference weather with uh you know being on a deposit of something that has like a a magnetic resonance of some kind and you map all that together is it is it just coincidence one time that leads to all of these other things sort of stacking up behind it you get what i'm saying like does it doesn't really constitute proof Um, yeah, I'm sorry to go on that tangent, but I felt like I had to get that question out of me.
Jeff:
[1:15:30] Yeah, no worries. And you know what, honestly, whether I don't want to be a Billy Carson, I don't know that much about weather, but I do know that it seems like we have had the technology for some time to be able to manipulate change potentially. You know, I don't know how much right now, but it does seem like we can do certain things that what do you what's your opinion on that.
Tyler:
[1:15:57] I'm not i'm just not convinced of this at all there i have seen absolutely nothing that makes me think that this is true i watched the entire uh geo engine look i am 100 open to talking to these people because i want to understand why they think what they think and maybe there's some evidence that i'm just completely oblivious to but i mean like as a i was a meteorologist in the air force and i'm telling you like the the levels of conspiracy that would need to be in place to prevent people from knowing this for a fact is ridiculous uh i i get the whole idea that people think that harp is i don't know shooting stuff into the ionosphere and somehow that's somehow that's causing a high pressure system so the idea is that they they heat up the ionosphere to which is two layers above where weather happens. Weather only happens in the troposphere, not in the stratosphere, and definitely not in the ionosphere. But the idea is that they're heating up those particles, that's causing a high-pressure system, and then by causing the high-pressure dome in that area, they can quote-unquote steer the atmosphere.
Tyler:
[1:17:08] Where you would send a low pressure system. So something like a major storm, especially a hurricane is a low pressure system. Somehow they think that this is like dialed in. Like they're so good at this that they can, uh, heat up the ionosphere in a perfect way to steer a hurricane between what, two high pressure systems. So that's like one part of it. Another part of it is like the, the contrail stuff. I i'm fully open to the idea that cloud i'm not even open to the idea that i know cloud seeding exists that's true every contrail you see outside is not that people have gone like way out of proportion with this it's so simple how contrails work when you're doing a weather forecast for a surveillance mission of some kind like you you want to send a spy plane or a drone over someone else's territory to do reconnaissance, right? One of the key things as a weather forecaster you're asked to give them is the layer where in which the humidity and the temperature is appropriate to create a contrail because the last fucking thing you want to do is fly a spy plane through an area where it would produce contrails. And we know that area. So if you were seeing contrails that don't exist,
Tyler:
[1:18:29] Like within that area i could understand why you would be concerned but just like pointing at every control you see when you live near an airport and saying like oh clearly this is them spraying aluminum into the atmosphere um i just don't think that the inconclusive you're gonna have to come up with something more convincing for me to like buy into that entire conspiracy but yeah i do believe and this is not a joke like there are definitely cloud seeding experiments there are people going out but it's like flying small planes or drones into an already existing cloud to add more moisture to it so that you get more precipitation out of it it's not steering pressure systems with uh ionospheric satellite shit sent from the heart system
Jeff:
[1:19:13] No absolutely and you know what tyler really again i would say uh in this world of alternative theories and alternative thinking I would say that I really, I just steer away from conspiracy. I'm like, you know, I think that when you, when you really, um, start looking, you can, it's, it's easy to overanalyze certain things. So I was like, you know, what would be the most anomalous stories in our time space? Like, what do I think is the most poignant, relevant to this time? And what I did find was this connection to a binary twin stone within our solar system. And, you know... Jason of Archaics, are you familiar with his work at all?
Tyler:
[1:20:02] I know the name, but I don't know his work.
Jeff:
[1:20:05] So Jason is what I would say the world's best chronologist and the best in palentics as far as studying calendars, studying patterns. And what I did notice was how censored, I guess, the classified nature of studying cyclical cataclysm and studying it in conjunction with comets and more specifically this binary twin star, which most people refer to as the dark star or set. But it does seem like there is some sort of time frame in which this star returns. From what I found, the evidence does point that there was some sort of catastrophe in the ancient past in which this star had basically collapsed in on itself. There was something in which this star had basically, I would say, gone through its life cycle, and we were kicked off of its plane of ecliptic, and we were moved into this new plane with the new star, which is called Sol.
Jeff:
[1:21:27] A lot of people do connect the binary twin star to either Saturn or with Sirius.
Jeff:
[1:21:37] And so when you get into the Dogon of Mali.
Tyler:
[1:21:42] Africa, Africa keeps coming up a lot lately. It's been very interesting.
Jeff:
[1:21:49] It does. It does. And Africa really is the energetic center of our plane.
Tyler:
[1:21:54] It's also what's interesting about Africa is aside from Egypt, which is already way up for debate, right? What else do we really know about the history of Africa? i mean the ancient history of africa i mean we know what from european intervention forward and virtually nothing
Jeff:
[1:22:12] No absolutely now i i i'm well read i don't know if you know who credo mutwa is credo mutwa no but he was interviewed by uh david ike in the 90s and he was a zougaloo shaman that it was right around in the area of South Africa today. But he speaks of a hidden history of Africa in which is just, I mean, it is the most miraculous story I've ever heard. That there was once a great thriving empire in Africa, more specifically where the Sahara Desert is today.
Tyler:
[1:22:52] Even more recently, I watched this really interesting documentary where they were discussing the roots of Christianity in Africa. Because it as it turns out like there are like pre-islam you know pre-islam there was already a really strong foothold of christians like who were affirming christ even before um like the orthodox and the catholic church formally did so and then that's how you ended up with the church in ethiopia right where we get the book of enoch and all that stuff because they had preserved a lot of that stuff there in africa long before it became mainstream in in europe like long before Constantine or any of that stuff. And people completely forgot about that in what, a couple hundred years.
Jeff:
[1:23:38] Yeah, no, absolutely. And you know what? So I guess to go back to Sitchin, I guess one of my biggest, I guess, problems with Sitchin's work is I think that everything happened a lot more recently than 432,000 years ago. And I think that is where the deceit lies.
Tyler:
[1:23:59] It's insane to be talking in these terms but like recently I've been getting like a lot of these different kind of date ranges and stuff and it seems to me that like the medium is somewhere around like 250,000 years in the past but you know it's really really hard to determine because you know we're arguing in terms right now of like are the pyramids 5,000 six thousand years not hundreds tens even tens of thousand is a big ask so i don't know where that takes us and i don't really think that the date of the pyramids necessarily matters to the overall story of like when did when were some of these things built one of the things that sitian does very well is sort of laying out the map of the land scape you know and like putting some of these cities these ancient cities that you hear in a biblical context on a map and And then explaining, and then they all fell, right? Then the flood happened and then everything was rebuilt after that.
Jeff:
[1:25:01] Yeah, no, absolutely. And, you know, so I guess I'm trying to blend so many different brilliant minds and their work and try to put them all together. And similar to all of us, it seems like we are doing this as a co-collaborative process that we're figuring this out together. And um you know i think that i like to always go back to robert morningstein and i know you love morning sky i.
Tyler:
[1:25:31] Am a big but
Jeff:
[1:25:31] When he again he's for the hundred out of a hundred on character, i did not find him to be somebody that was uh deceitful or that would tell a lie and you know But when you look up Robert Morning Sky on Google, you will find it will say, mother of three young dog babies. You know, he likes to bake cookies in his kitchen. And it's all just nonsense. And so that tells me that Robert Morning Sky is right over the target. And so, you know, can I just explain a little bit about what happened in 1947?
Tyler:
[1:26:14] Let's take a break right before we jump into this because this is going to be like a long tangent. But let's go take a leak and stuff. Sounds good. Jump into that in the deep end. All right. So yeah, Robert Morning Sky. I, I am like a, I'm a fan of his because of his appearances on the Art Bell show back, back in the day. Um, and what's interesting to, you know, when you brought him up, uh, in our emails back and forth and everything, I was just like, that's such a weird fucking coincidence. Like what a strange name to come up all these years later, because from what I know, Robert Morning Sky from like the Hale bop comet you know and the all the all that stuff time frame where he was uh you know telling the stories of is it forgive me if i get this wrong the hopi tribes beliefs well
Jeff:
[1:27:04] Um kind of so his mother was uh she was a part of the hopi right and then his father was apache.
Tyler:
[1:27:11] Okay yeah yeah and he yeah it was just telling all these like amazing stories that were you know to his people ancient history or mythology or whatever you want to call it. But at that time, it had a lot of people worried that this Hellbop comet was going to be that.
Tyler:
[1:27:30] Obviously, it wasn't. But a lot of people had opinions about that comet. It's really funny to go back and listen to that stuff. That all happened when I was maybe a baby. I was born in 1995. And then there was Y2K, all that kind of stuff. But his commentary during that time frame is what I'm most familiar with. And here we are. 30 years later.
Jeff:
[1:27:53] Yeah. No, it's, I heard about his stories. I don't know if you're familiar with Lynn Kasten.
Tyler:
[1:27:59] Nope.
Jeff:
[1:28:01] Lynn Caston is one of the top researchers in this field, at least, especially for the subjects that I'm interested in.
Jeff:
[1:28:09] I've found Lynn Caston to be phenomenal. Now, again, a lot of people, he did, he had a lot of predictions that were incorrect. He had a lot of theories that were incorrect, but what he got right, he nailed. And he, very similar to Tim, was trying to put together a somewhat of a timeline regarding ancient history. And so he would use different references and different personalities to help, I guess, build his argument. And so, again, kind of like with 10, if one of those, I guess.
Jeff:
[1:28:50] Critical variables turns out to be even slightly off, the whole equation can be thrown off. So that's why I always beware of certitude. I try not to be definitive. This is this or this is that. Because as we know, even with wave-particle duality, that things may appear differently than what they really are. We have to be very careful using our eyes, our ears, and even our thoughts as an accurate representation of reality. But what I really dove into was what happened in the summer of 1947 on this Apache reservation.
Jeff:
[1:29:40] Robert Morningsky describes that his grandfather and six other friends, or it was a group of six Apache men, they were going out on their vision quest. And they were going out into the Four Corners region of New Mexico.
Jeff:
[1:30:00] And that night was a night that would forever change those six men and their perspective on reality because what happened was that they saw something in the sky which we would call an aerial phenomenon. We might call it a UFO. We might call it an airship. They described it as a falling star, and at least in the Apache lore that they had always been warned to not track these falling stars because wherever they land the military and soldiers would be there and it's really interesting today to hear the testimonies of Jake Barger and using psionics to be able to drop aircraft and then retrieve the aircraft and potentially take that technology and use it four-year-old. So in the summer of 1947, we're really familiar with Sequoia, New Mexico, which was a crash that has been investigated pretty extensively, as well as Roswell. They all happened in the month of June, at least as far as I can remember.
Tyler:
[1:31:14] All right. And Linda Moulton Howell has the fragments to prove it to you. Absolutely.
Jeff:
[1:31:19] And Linda Moulton Howell, again, bless her heart.
Tyler:
[1:31:22] We're not a fucking trooper man Linda Moulton Howe's got to be like the most uh like she's the David Bowie or like the Madonna of paranormal research like she's just she's reinvented herself for decades and I personally love Linda Moulton Howe man uh from you know like I was talking about the Art Bell show earlier but you know from the the work that she did on crop circles to cattle mutilations to chupacabra to et to nhi to everything and then all the way down to when art bell decides to get rid of the fragments from roswell who does he give it to you now she's touring it around on ancient aliens uh
Jeff:
[1:32:02] Absolutely yeah ridiculous yeah.
Tyler:
[1:32:04] It's like a it's like a championship belt like a pro wrestler with a championship belt it
Jeff:
[1:32:08] Really is it really is and And, you know, Morning Sky talks about they didn't listen to their intuition. And they followed this, they call a falling star. They tracked it. When they got to this location, they saw what we would describe as a modern-day UFO.
Jeff:
[1:32:33] And from everything that I've learned from Robert Morningsky, the way that their traditions and their tribe, they don't lie. And first of all, they don't share this information with outsiders. But Robert Morningsky took it upon himself that he felt that this information was so goddamn important, excuse my friends, that he felt it necessary to divulge tribal secrets to the world. And he made it his mission to basically describe what happened that summer of 1947. So upon arrival of the wreckage, they find a crashed ship. They begin to investigate the crash site. And they, from what I remember, there were several entities that they felt looked like little humans. They looked human-like, but they weren't human.
Jeff:
[1:33:31] Morning Sky describes reptilian-like features, but being very small in stature. One of the entities was still alive. It was badly injured and badly wounded. They decided to begin working on this entity, and they took it upon themselves to help him regain his health. As they began working on this entity, they heard the sounds of, at that time, I don't remember if it was the Air Force, I know it's 1947, the Air Force was just at that point being, I believe, assimilated.
Jeff:
[1:34:12] And anyways, they took it to be of the utmost importance to get the being out of there and into one of their little shelters that they had beyond the ridge. And anyways, they took this being who was completely silent and did not speak for the first month, did not say one word. And when the being regained his health, they heard him decipher the most amazing story they had ever heard. And when the beam described his story, he pulled out this crystal. And this is, I know, really, really far-fetched. It really gets into the science fiction realms, but it's the truth from Robert Morning Sky's grandfather as well. That he began to describe a history of the human race and the planet Earth, unlike anything that we had ever heard. Thank you. And Tim Kelly's description of galactic history seems to be the closest. And he's never heard of Robert Morningston.
Tyler:
[1:35:23] That's so funny. Tim is just like a wild card. He doesn't, there's so many things that I brought up that I thought were like, you know, kind of entry level stuff where he's like, he's just off in his own world.
Jeff:
[1:35:33] Oh, absolutely. And he did, he tested, you know, as far as IQ, I would imagine Tim might be on the spectrum a bit. But I like to look at his work through an occult lens and like I'm trying to better understand things because we don't agree on everything. I mean, I haven't told him this, but we don't agree on everything. I just really value his personality.
Tyler:
[1:35:55] I like what he brings to the conversation.
Jeff:
[1:35:58] Yeah, and you know what? I found the guys that have the least followers seem to be the most humor. Even Robert Morning Sky's YouTube channel has like 16 people. He's been deleted, so he's had to make new channels over and over and over. But he's back trying to share this information again in his old age. But the story he describes is basically an advanced race from Sirius and an advanced race from Orion, that began to move past their planet and their moons, and they began to colonize other worlds. From what I found in the material, they came upon an agreement that this area of the Milky Way galaxy was going to be Syrian and Orion. And all of the resources that would be mined, all of the energy that would be drawn through Lush, or however, all of the information systems would all be mined directly, similar to the way we do with the crown, and bringing things back to either Rome, England, or Israel. These resources are basically distributed, and they colonized the most beautiful world that they called Tiamat. Now, from what I understand, Tiamata was the crown jewel of both empires. It was pretty much a water world. And from everything that I found.
Tyler:
[1:37:27] Where is this information coming from?
Jeff:
[1:37:29] This is coming from the Star Elder.
Tyler:
[1:37:32] Okay.
Jeff:
[1:37:33] And he is teaching it out of the crystal. He had a technology on the crushed disk that allowed him to read this crystal, similar to the way that we put silicon chips into a computer. And they said that this being really felt like a school child that was repeating what he had learned in school. And they said that he was so excited to share this information with me. And he said that mankind had been occulted from this information and that we were basically being essentially used as some sort of slave species currently. That wasn't always the case. they referred to, not necessarily the being, but they referred to humans as beasts.
Jeff:
[1:38:20] Which I was appalled by in the beginning. But I'm just repeating what Robert repeated. And essentially he talks about this colonization of this solar system. And that at some point, the solar system here had become more advanced than what was in Orion and Sirius. And that these two groups began to argue and fight over the rights of Earth, Tiamat, and humanity. And now Earth comes later in the story because originally Tiamat was just above Saturn in our solar system. So it was considered the most high, at least as far as the solar system.
Jeff:
[1:39:09] There was a war in which this group called the Anuna had taken over Tiamat and claimed it as their own. When the other group came back to retaliate, they brought weapons of mass destruction. Destruction, that in this war, the planet was destroyed and knocked out of its orbit. And this is where the story gets really confusing because there's not a lot of material, at least from Robert, that either Earth was Tiamat and it was dropped into its place today, where it began to kind of coalesce and it began to reform itself. Or Earth was brought in from another solar system around set and placed in the position it is in today. And mathematically, all of that lines up because of the, I think it's the Theobode law, and Jason and Tim Kelly both bring this up, that Earth is out of place.
Jeff:
[1:40:15] So during this war, essentially what happened was Earth was brought back to nothing, to nil. And it had to be recolonized, receded, repopulated. And they did this. and um i guess we are the at least what he described we are the byproduct of that that the homo sapiens were originally on tl1 and um anyways he describes that this being had regained his health that the being had taught the locals how to run these marathons with no water with very little oxygen and pretty much through the overcoming of the mind, that he taught them how to catch arrows. They taught them the ways of the plants. They taught them all kinds of stuff. And anyways, they kept it amongst themselves that they would never share this story because they were really worried about if the military found out that the being and his people would be in jeopardy. But he does talk about how these beings had moved into the inner realms of the planet within cave systems that were being geomagnetically heated and cooled, and that they found a kind of an Eden within these dwellings.
Jeff:
[1:41:45] And he talks about that, you know, that essentially that this being looked human-like and he was able to move back into the general populace. But he talks about how this planet was under the control of what we would know as Lucifer or Enki at one point. And that now he rules everything from the Apsu or the underworld. World, where the surface of the planet is being ruled by somebody known in mythology as Enlil, or the Satan, or the administrator of this Earth colony. And the differences in, we've heard this throughout a lot of the work of many researchers, the scientists and the militarists, and these two different dynamics and these two different ways of thinking, and how they switch off the rule on the surface from one to another. They go back and forth.
Jeff:
[1:42:49] And anyways, a lot of the other information that is in the book is in his book, The Terra Papers, which describes this entire history and how basically our world today is essentially a forgotten paradise and that the earth was once the heart chakra of the milky way system and that we've taken this fall from grace and that humans had been essentially infected with this mind virus called the wetiko which is it makes us act selfishly um it makes us act in a manner that is against our spiritual principles that humanity had been basically programmed with. And so we're living two different dichotomies, essentially. But I guess that's the story in a nutshell.
Jeff:
[1:43:48] Robert's material, shortly after he published his work, his wife was murdered. He lost everything. He was laughed out at academia. He's got degrees. He's been the butt of so many jokes. And so he just said he would never, ever submit himself to that kind of humiliation because he just didn't believe the current version of humanity was intelligent enough at the moment to be able to truly grasp the inner workings of our situation and our reality.
Tyler:
[1:44:25] It's kind of a tough ask because you know like what do you want people to do about it even no matter what you believe like what are what are folks supposed to do with that information um and i think most people um have other shit going on in their lives to you know to the too much of it to be worried about like things that ultimately don't change their existence as they understand it you know um or you know some people would say like oh those are the people living in the matrix or like you know whatever or there's there's sheep and there's shepherds or whatever metaphor you want to use there's been a million over time um i don't know about all that man it just seems it seems like uh once you once you have all that information once you which you understand uh okay well the the world is because of all these things it sounds really no different than any other really kind of religious point of view to describe sort of the same thing. It sounds very much like this idea that, oh, they put a mind virus in us that makes us feel all these negative emotions. How is that really any different than the myth of Pandora's box?
Jeff:
[1:45:34] Oh, absolutely.
Tyler:
[1:45:36] Or original sin, for that matter, if you want to take it from a Judeo-Christian point of view.
Jeff:
[1:45:40] Well, and Tyler, I do. I listen to, you know, I listen to a variety of scholars. So I really like listening to Christian authors. You know, Gary Wayne, when you get into some of these subjects, Gary Wayne's the only guy that's writing about him. He's a Christian author.
Jeff:
[1:45:58] And then like Derek Gilbert, L.A. Marsulli. Um there there's a plethora of these guys that you know basically when i hear their message what i think of tyler is this is deceit that basically robert's story he's telling the truth but what is being manufactured is this connection to the underworld that these beings have basically they they they come in and out of this dimension and they feed us full of trickery full of lies full of deceit.
Jeff:
[1:46:33] Full of, you know, and Richard Doty's been, his experience, I don't know if he's telling the truth nowadays, but Richard Doty basically says the one thing that you can guarantee from these entities is that they're not going to tell you the truth. So from the Christian aspect, I might look at it as that the circus was the Eden. And when we made contact with this underworld or this lower dimension that began to change our world and and ishmael perez he's the only person i've heard say that he's a fellow autistic uh researcher and he says that all the pyramids all the texts have been changed and instead of yahweh they've been put into basically Anki is the good guy and Anki is the benevolent one and Anki is the one that's giving us all this technology and that Anki is the person that has made our world he's the Gnostic Jesus essentially and what he says is that couldn't be further from the truth.
Jeff:
[1:47:41] That basically that source creator, or at least our source, created us to live the spiritual existence and not to be in the books all the time. To live through experience, to do things rather than to be cooped up alone in a study room, studying from time immemorial to continue diving in the information. And when you translate the information into light and then light into lucifer you can kind of see this connection and so i go back and forth between worlds like you know i really think though at the end of the day that enlil and enki are the same person and in anton parks in his decode i found anton parks to be the most knowledgeable person according to really knowing akkadian samaro the syllabary and he doesn't claim to know it like but he claims to have some grasp on.
Jeff:
[1:48:43] And um he he agrees that anki that you know could be this benevolent force per se from this malevolent group that again tyler you know when i think of planet i i always think of playing you know a plane you know when again if you look up the greek translation it goes into wandering star traveler yeah yeah traveler absolutely and you know what's funny is the nomads and the daemons if you spell them backwards you know there is this mirrored effect like uh i think parks talks about how the priests would read things from right to left but the general populace would read things for left or right. So it would be two different, basically, realities. And that's what really, what I wanted to bring home was the classified nature of this research material. Tyler, I told you I started to form a thesis and a doctrine. And when I started to form the thesis and doctrine, that night, my daughter, she's like, Dad, come outside, come outside. She's three years old. She barely speaks and she says, dad, dad, outside, Michael, Michael, Michael. And I was like, baby, I got to go to bed. I'm tired. I worked 12 hours.
Jeff:
[1:50:05] And anyways, me and my fiance, we go outside and we look up in the sky and sure as shit, an orb flies over the house. She points directly at it and she says, that's Michael. And so, you know, I'm thinking, well, man, I got to figure out, you know, is she talking about Archangel Michael? Is this, you know, like, man, this is the coincidence. And so the coincidence, these words, again, the words, there is a synchromysticism because the words always get back to source meaning. So when you study these words, I've hated English, but you get back to their root sources. And I was looking at Tim Kelly's cover and she saw that picture of the little gray. And she said, no, daddy, no, no. What is that? And I said, don't worry, baby, you have power over that. Don't worry about that. And then the next one was the Nordic, and she seemed to like the Nordic. But the reptilian, she seemed to be comfortable with him. But she said, no, Michael has wings. And then I showed her the picture that Pierre Savac drew that picture and sent me.
Jeff:
[1:51:15] And she said, that is Michael, dad. That is Michael. And so I was like, bingo, bango, bongo. We're on the right trail. So what I started doing in these last couple of weeks, within three days of that incident, she had meningitis swelling in the back of her head. She claimed that Michael is a protector. He's good. He's not bad. And so, you know, she ended up healing through that experience. We used Tim Kelly's protocols on healing. I didn't go with it. With academia on that one. I trusted Tim Kelly and we healed up. And then I got sick and I got pneumonia. Both cars broke down in the same week. A brand new truck that I was driving at work. They said that it had electrical issues, Tyler. They go, it's a brand new truck. What's going on? It's in the shop. It didn't work. My wife's phone at work. She goes, it shut down the whole little network. And I'm not a tech dog. But they said, that's the weirdest thing. And I just started having all these, basically what I felt like were demonic attacks. And then when I started listening to the Christian researchers, I got into Nathaniel Gillis. Man, it started making sense. Gillis says that he has seen brilliant geniuses get in studying the Pleiadians and end up dead within months.
Jeff:
[1:52:35] You know, and so that's why I'm like, man, I'm really worried about the direction that I take the research. because I got a lot of precious material. I've got a precious family. And honestly, I thought about calling this interview off. I thought about throwing it all away and just going back to Christianity. But because I have such an issue with the historical context of Christianity, more specifically the stories of Ralph Ellis, But, you know, it's really difficult. And even the gods of Eden has had such a tremendous impact on my outlook that I have a difficult time going in. And I'm sure you're in this boat, but I want to hear your piece, Tyler.
Tyler:
[1:53:21] On Christianity?
Jeff:
[1:53:22] Well, just on what I just said. Really, I know that.
Tyler:
[1:53:26] Um i mean first of all i just wanted to say like i don't think there's any reason why you can't be a christian and then and disagree with like the historical context of any given church i i think from my perspective christianity is about what do you think about jesus right like you know and so like do you think and that could be divided into so many different sects of you know the way that people view that and i don't really think it matters it's just like if you if that's the center of your worldview then you're probably a christian and that's fine um but i don't you know i obviously i don't mind anybody's spiritual background i want to talk to as many different people from like different perspectives as humanly possible because they all kind of unveil a different understanding in a different context about what you know what barry fitzgerald would called the phenomena right yeah absolutely and it's something like your kid you know uh having an encounter with an angel um and identifying it as something close to you know a nordic or or human appearance but she says wings i don't know what that really means other than like to look at it symbolically that's kind of how i like if something doesn't sound
Tyler:
[1:54:41] If something sounds like too big, it's good to be true or too, too crazy to be real. Then I would just like my next, um, my next instinct is to just like, okay, what do all these symbols mean? The same way that you dissect like a dream, you know? So if someone comes to you and they like, I had this crazy dream. Okay, well tell me about it. And they tell you about it. And then maybe the, the narrative of the dream may not make any sense, but there will be like these key details that stand out to you. And it's like okay what what do these symbols mean and maybe that it's almost like doing tarot or like geomancy with your mind right all right in this case it's uh there's a word for divining dreams i don't even remember what it was point being you can always kind of find these like symbolic patterns in sort of every narrative every story um so going all the way back to something you said but kind of way earlier but about um robert morning sky having this or you know telling this story about the uh encounter with these small beings that happened in the you know fallen star kind of situation maybe it was a crashed ufo doesn't really go into detail about that regardless everywhere and i do mean everywhere that there are paranormal activities there are these what the ancient
Tyler:
[1:56:05] Germanic peoples I guess maybe the Celts would have called the goblins or goblins as Barry likes to say it right And those, those phenomena occur everywhere in the world where there's, you know, some, some sort of activity like this. And it's believed that they are these sort of gatekeepers between this dimension or this world and the next or something like that, that there are these sort of portals. You know, people talk about Skinwalker Ranch or they talk about, you know, Point Pleasant, West Virginia.
Tyler:
[1:56:41] There's a bunch of weird places over in like eastern europe you know you want to talk about that kind of stuff um and all the way around the map even it's just this phenomena exists but people use different words to describe it right that they have that's that's really what it comes down to so like crossing them like getting them all reported is difficult but once you put them all together yeah it seems like everywhere that there's something crazy weird like metaphysical paranormal stuff going on these things seem to be there and the question is are these the aliens because there's there's so much conjecture but like you never we never had one of these in a body bag as far as we know at least not publicly available for us to talk about right um and it's the same thing with like uh other kind of cryptid sort of things like bigfoot or whatever these these beings that seem to exist liminally right they but you you'll never catch one you'll a unicorn whatever um right but you know nevertheless there's always something like that and most of
Tyler:
[1:57:41] The time it's it's literally talked about as like these little people you know and they they have these like they're tim sent me like a really cool video recently like this guy in ethiopia that had a carving that's exactly like the uh hopkinsville goblin you know oh wow and it's and it's it's so bizarre and you see that all over the world that same it's a little short dude and it like they have like this a little like big buggy eyes and like these pointy looking things coming off the sides of their heads and maybe it's an ear or a headdress or a helmet that they're wearing or whatever we don't know but universally reported oh
Jeff:
[1:58:18] Absolutely you know and that's what tim had found was that there was this suppressed um, there was a suppressed element of human history and that he was really surprised. And when he started really diving into it, he got into the work of Wilhelm Reich and studying the ions, somatids, and this world that lies beneath what we can see. And so you know pierre sabat his work really really has helped facilitate some of these experiences he calls it the underlying scaphology of the phenomenon and so i really like you know what you talk about potentially these gatekeepers between worlds um.
Jeff:
[1:59:12] You know, one of the things like Wayne Herschel, he started using tracing boards, Masonic tracing boards, to study these ancient star reps. And he really, really got into it. And he went to some of the Masons and they said, did you know this is what our whole secret society is founded upon? And they essentially, during his first book, his co-author was murdered. Wayne spent the next 20 years trying to convey a message about a group of humans who traveled here from the Pleiades and had gotten stuck and they couldn't leave. And so this is his entire message. When I got into the work of michael crema his co-author originally had died writing one of his first books i think forbidden archaeology when i got into the work of harold uh harold kutzwella harold kutzwella beautiful german researcher had gotten into when when he first um went to edit his original draft for his first book, the person that edited that book died. The next editor did two weeks and said.
Jeff:
[2:00:37] Nothing to do with and so you know gosh i just see this time and time again even guys i don't know if you're familiar with nick hinton but he had done some really great work regarding saturn and the connection between saturn our world and sirius i.
Tyler:
[2:00:56] Guess i think i swear i saw something about exactly that topic very recently but i couldn't tell you the name of the person involved
Jeff:
[2:01:05] Yeah, he basically, he got rebaptized as a Christian, and he basically went out and moved out on a farm to wrangle cows. He just said, hey, I'm getting back to nature, getting back to the basics, getting back to what's important. Because really, as you know, Tyler, I mean, we can argue about this all day long, but it's all conjecture. But for me, during my experience with ayahuasca, I just really wanted to know, who am I? At my core who am i and where where do i live where is my place in this thing and i just felt there was a level of deceit and i honestly don't know if the deceit is evil or nefarious but that the deceit is there so that you look within and that you start to find different synchronicities and you begin to remember who and what you are look.
Tyler:
[2:01:59] Man remember this never assign map to malice to that which can be explained by incompetence so like the fact that there's knowledge to be known that the average person ain't getting their hands on because it's suppressed is because the people who are suppressing it have knowledge you don't have
Jeff:
[2:02:22] Right so.
Tyler:
[2:02:24] If it's really like a I think it's a more healthy way to approach the world to just say like, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Jeff:
[2:02:32] Absolutely. Absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:02:34] Because as soon as you know something that gives you power, you notice some new knowledge, whatever it is that brings you power, there will come a point where there's someone you'd think it would be better if they didn't know that. And it starts off small, like the whole idea of a secret society. Like when you start off with like keeping secrets, the secrets at first, are really arbitrary like they don't really like honestly if you told them to somebody they wouldn't even understand what it fucking meant right and then you know the reason for doing that is because when you get told a real fucking secret you know how to keep a secret and they know that you know how to keep a secret because they've let you practice with all these not really detrimental secrets so by the time you're you know but i'm assuming right by the time you're a 33rd degree uh co-mason or something like that you probably know a lot of shit that you're not going to tell people not because you know you you don't think that people are entitled to know things knowledge-wise but you're going to want to vet the people that you share that information with it's the same way in classifications and the government military you name it uh and you keep knowledge compartmentalized so you organize things such that no one person really knows the whole picture everyone has a specialty um and everyone is sort of trading information only based on what they need to know. And
Tyler:
[2:03:59] You know, it leads to a lot of questions about like what, you know, who is at the top of both of those chains? Cause there's like, there are people who know, most people know nothing. Right. And I'm not saying that to put anyone down. I'm not even saying that from a position. Like I know anything. I just mean like, honestly, most of us are not really, we have no fundamental grasp of what's even, what even are we, you know, and they don't have the time to even consider questions. Like really sit down and have an existential existential crisis. It's like, I don't have time to have an existential crisis. I have mouths to feed. I have bills to pay. I have a job to go to. I have this and that. I'm trying to just make it, just survive. Once you have the leisure in your life to sit down and explore some of the conjecture about, hey, man, what's really going on here? Honestly, yeah, it's overwhelming.
Jeff:
[2:04:49] Well, and you know, John F. Kennedy's speech, the secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society.
Jeff:
[2:04:58] And that, you know, we can see now Ralph Ellis does a really good job of tracking how these secret societies and the brotherhood of the snake, more specifically, have essentially withheld and occulted this information, why they have kept the colony productive. They've kept us busy working. They've kept us busy stressing. They've kept us busy focusing on things that aren't important. And so in that, I guess, if we were ever able to know who and what we were, that all of these systems would fail overnight, essentially. Especially that, um, you know, because even in my, I had to get really, really creative, Tyler. I could not sit around and research all day on a computer because I still have a beautiful family and a home that I have to pay for. And so I found a way to get a job and to basically listen why I work and then take that information to put that information in a database and then go back to that information and have a plan to someday get myself out of this situation where I don't have to work so much, where I don't have to, you know, stress so much about financial situations.
Tyler:
[2:06:28] No, I totally get it, man. I can't tell you the number of hours, like when I was young, especially when I was like 18, 19, 20. I worked as an electrician's apprentice and all I did was just like listen to podcasts all day long while I, you know, did whatever I was going to do construction wise. Yeah. And your job is even less messy at least.
Jeff:
[2:06:49] Yeah. No, absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:06:50] Yeah. Absolutely. And you could just, and you could just like kind of relax, you know, your bills are paid. And meanwhile, just download information. Just, you know, like you're in the matrix or something.
Jeff:
[2:07:00] Just plug it in. Absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:07:02] I can't tell you the number of books that I read while I was in the air force. You know, most of the time the weather is actually kind of boring, but you still have to be there in case. Right. So long shifts, you know, overnight when you're just nothing's going on. I read a lot of books, man. I can't, I can't tell you the number of.
Jeff:
[2:07:18] I can tell, I can tell. And, you know, I, I listened to your previous interviews and I'm like, you know, Tyler is, I felt like you had a really good grasp of the material. Sure. Because, you know, again, as this story unfolds, I mean, it continually gets stranger and weirder and more far out there. And so, you know, I always try to bring back a level of reality. And so, you know, Craig Carlwood's really big on finding a canon of material. Instead of having 3,000 authors that you study, choose the 10 authors that have had the most impact in your life. And you study those guys and you kind of frame your research around them and openly not like a billy carson like this is it i'm not changing it up but one guy that i really wanted to bring up and i wanted to make sure that i shared this on the podcast have you have you uh researched charles fort very much no.
Tyler:
[2:08:17] No tell me about him
Jeff:
[2:08:18] So charles fort um he was a researcher from the 1800s, Fort was just a, you know, he would probably be diagnosed on the spectrum. He was fascinated. He started going through these old newspaper articles, and he went through all the archives in the library of his hometown, and he started finding all kinds of anomalous material that did not line up with the history given in the 1800s. So he started making a list of all this material that he found, and then he started going through old books and old encyclopedias. But as he got older, he found that he had to support himself. So he was going to have to basically get a job, and he was going to have to go to work just like everybody else. He had an uncle that really, really believed in him. He believed in his passion and his work and what he was doing. He left him his small inheritance to live off for the rest of his life so that he could spend every day studying material.
Jeff:
[2:09:32] Charles Fort put that material together, and he wrote a book called Book X, and then he wrote another book called Book Y. Both books, he was not able to get published, because the information within the books was so different from what anybody had ever heard that no publisher would put their name on. So Fort burns both of his first two books. Book X was about a sinister colony that was living in Antarctica, and that basically was influencing humanity in a way that humanity was not able to see. His other book was, and this might be mixed up, book Y was about an advanced Martian group that after some sort of war left Mars.
Jeff:
[2:10:30] Came here discreetly and colonized Earth and instituted the Babylon banking system, the fiat currency system. They ran things from basically the either caverns of the planet or from this hidden space because they were extremely advanced, at least their technology. Now, he claims that they were humans, at least the Mars would have lost, and that they had influence in a way that we couldn't even fathom. And Tyler, tell me if I'm wrong, but with the research of John Brandenburg and his plasma physicists, and I mean, the evidence pointing directly at an advanced.
Jeff:
[2:11:22] Colony on mars and then now we have every elite on the planet going down to antarctica to begin to study you know uh ice you know in in ice deposits and so all of a sudden i'm like man this worked freaking blends really well when you've read the gods of eden with with uh william Bramley, where he basically talks about a group that creates three different religions or five different religions, and then basically goes to these groups and he basically convinces them of a doctrine that they get so deeply entangled in their subconscious mind that these groups fight amongst themselves over who's right until they destroy the plan.
Jeff:
[2:12:14] And these wars happen continuously and what they do with the art of war is first of all they sell them weapons and then when they're out of money they give them loans and then when they're out of loans then they go back and they basically take everything from the group that they had given them and i'm like man and this sure seems like this could be either fill in the blank zionist freemason rosicrucian you know you name it with the secret society, even Jesus, when I go back to Jesus, was he a carpenter or was he a mason? Is it sure? Seems like he's a part of this brotherhood, at least in the work of Ralph Ellis, who.
Jeff:
[2:12:58] Man, I mean, this guy spent 25 years studying the story of Jesus, king of Odessa, and his work. He says, kind of like me trying to find you, I couldn't get anybody to interview me. Because this material is so far out there, and I get it. But Ralph Ellis has a story to be told, and it needs to be at least heard.
Jeff:
[2:13:22] And his story talks about Jesus being literal, the king of Odessa, and he was a badass, and Jesus was mentally, physically, and spiritually different. And the man, from what I understand, the group was experts. In, you know, near-death experiences because they would put themselves in these near-death, you know, they would die before they died using either snake venom, certain psychedelics, Amanita muscaria. They would enter these states and, you know, they took this knowledge. He calls it the last of the Egyptian terrorists. It was Yeshua.
Tyler:
[2:14:06] If you look into some of the accounts, you know, like of Romans' opinions, people you know just talking about what went on with this Jesus character guy at that time One of the things that really sticks out is like, none of them ever dismissed the idea that he had magical powers at all. None of them, like, that was just like, okay. And like the thing that they would like ask was like, well, isn't he like, isn't he from Egypt?
Tyler:
[2:14:34] Didn't you guys say he would like, came from Egypt? They'd be like, yeah, well, like, well, they're all like magicians over there. So that makes sense. It's the way that they looked at it. They didn't think that was like a bizarre account at all. They were just like, well, what did the Hebrews kind of want us to do about this? And like how can we keep the peace um of course pontius pilot and all that stuff but
Jeff:
[2:14:55] No one when you get into the work of derrick gilbert who is a christian researcher and one of my favorite i mean the man's just i i just i think really highly of his character but he talks about in the river jordan when he was investigating there's these ancient dolmens right i go what is a dolmen and i look it up it's a it's a portal you know and then when you get into the work of Patrice Chaplin and Greg Carlin knows this material like the back of his hand. But what, let's just say hypothetically, what if something came through one of these portals, these dolmens and an advanced human technology that helped bridge dimensions? It's not that far out there. I mean, when you start looking at things in a way that, you know, if you look at certain, Even the electric universe model, if you understand the electric universe model with astrotheology, with human psychology, and then you look at it through an occult lens, I think that's the phenomenon right there. At least you can better understand it.
Tyler:
[2:16:02] I just think that the vast majority of people are not educated in all of those different subjects.
Jeff:
[2:16:10] No, absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:16:11] Or would they be?
Jeff:
[2:16:12] Yeah, no.
Tyler:
[2:16:12] And a lot of the people who are experts in any of those subjects don't necessarily have any cross-reference into the other ones, you know, like, it's like a guy like Carl Jung, who was like an occultist and a psychologist and wrote about it, you know, openly at that time is unique. Like that's not that's normal but freud like knew all the same shit he did but he like was intent on keeping spirituality out of it because he wouldn't be taken seriously by the scientific community and he knew that so he had everything on the whole you know the the sexuality model and that's why we're still talking about him today of course it to some degree yeah there were some really useful insights you know about absolutely the human soul people forget that psychology literally means the study of the human soul like not just you know we think about psychological as like mental i think we separate mentality from um spirituality oh absolutely absolutely really only like a 200 year old concept at most that you would do that um
Jeff:
[2:17:16] No absolutely and you know what, For me, I had to, and you're doing the same thing, Tyler. Like you said, you started off at one end of the spectrum and then you start drifting into other areas of study because you have to. But for me, like mythology, history. Now, I used to view history literally. But the more I got into the work of Jason Brashears in Archaics, now Tim did not like Jason Brashears. And I found Tim and Jason to be two of the best researchers in the world and on two different spectrums. But Jason basically doesn't believe history is history. He thinks it's programming. He thinks that these public figures, celebrities.
Jeff:
[2:18:01] Our media, all of our stuff is designed to throw us off so that we actually look within and we find ourselves through imagination, through intuition, through empathy, rather than trying to really use our intellect,
Jeff:
[2:18:19] that we really need to dive into these other ways of thinking. And I love that because, you know, Nikola Tesla, he was a hero. You know, growing up, I'm like, Tesla's famous quote was, you know, at the end of his life, that he had spent all of his energy working for the betterment of humanity, only to be laughed at, mocked, ridiculed, and locked away in an apartment. You know, I mean, it really does put a perspective in. So when I look at Robert Morning's file and I look up all his material, it says that Jordan Maxwell wrote the tarot papers. I'm thinking, so, you know, what if history has changed over time.
Jeff:
[2:19:04] To fit a certain paradigm. And it is our path to rediscover truth. And so I always wonder, because force and form, they talk about Saturn, this malevolent entity, he's Satan and Saturn, and he's the lead archon. And I really think Saturn there is for force and form, that in the pressure, we either break or we get better. And Tyler, I wonder where humanity, because of where we are, is this karma? Because when I watch humanity and I watch them, and not everybody, but a good proportion, they're all fighting to talk. They all want to be the first person in the line. They all want to be heard. They all want to be the most popular. and there's this level of selfishness that I wonder if we brought this all on ourselves that this is part of this karmic process of awakening, and that's a different perspective but it really brings back is this programming or is this history,
Jeff:
[2:20:12] because you know it seems to be a fine line.
Tyler:
[2:20:16] Sure I like to think about it like there are software updates I wasn't super aware of this until I don't know maybe like six months ago I got kind of like dived down a rabbit hole I wanted to learn about the Baha'i things because you don't really hear a lot about them I think it was like the guy that played Dwight in the office is notably a Baha'i I guess that's what they're called and they believe basically that there have been tons of these like sort of messengers that are sent directly by god you know from the beginning all the way through so they they go all the way back to adam you know and then all of the hebrew
Tyler:
[2:21:04] Uh oh my god why am i spacing on this prophets and then you know of course there's also jesus and then there's after that there's muhammad and there's also harry krishna and zoroaster and everything and everything in between but like all of the the sort of divine the buddha they're all included right um and they just see this as like a over periodically every like 2000 issues or whatever god sends another one of these really special people to guide us and you know this guy the the baha'i guy was the last one and there will be another one you know down the line and that's they just think that um and i find that so fascinating because it it at least that from their point of view, it's sort of like looking at the broad spectrum of everything instead of just like isolating it in like a regional or ethnic context. You know what I'm saying?
Jeff:
[2:21:56] Oh, absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:21:57] Yeah. And especially for a religion like that to come out of Iran too, it was like also crazy. I think that the, they were like put to death for even believing in some of this stuff, but yeah, they just, just not being Muslim.
Jeff:
[2:22:09] Yeah, no, I, well, and there, there is one pattern that I found with, within like, even if, uh, with Jesus, with Muhammad, with Buddha, was this connection with blue eyes for one. And the second one, the connection to the red hair.
Tyler:
[2:22:27] Sure.
Jeff:
[2:22:28] And the red hair, when we start looking at a lot of these old pyramids worldwide, we find that these pharaohs or leaders have red hair. And that seems to be one of the patterns that I have found. It was interesting. Dolores Cannon, she was a regressive hypnotherapist. And in one of her hypnotherapies, she recounted Jesus. She said he had these bright blue eyes and that his hair was shining red and that he was absolutely majestic. That when he walked in the room, he was really quiet, really silent, everybody gravitated towards him. And she talks about that on the cross.
Jeff:
[2:23:17] Josephus, who was a Roman soldier acting, I guess, he was basically the MI6 of antiquity, that there was three people on the cross, and this lines up with Ralph Ellis, and that basically Jesus had basically taken a snake venom and was pronounced dead. Josephus, who was actually Joseph of Arimathea and was the fourth wealthiest person on the planet at the time, had let Jesus down from the cross, and they made their exkeg back originally to Great Britain. Which was at the time the Guantanamo Bay of the Roman world. It was really hard to get to.
Jeff:
[2:24:10] And this is where the story gets a little confusing because they talk about him starting a church called The Way. It was outside. Jesus did not want churches to be indoors. He thought a service should be between one person and another. And supposedly he taught The Way. He was showed the way from John the Baptist, and that Jesus basically had lived the rest of his life migrating to France and migrating to India, migrating all over the planet and basically carrying this message. But the message later, again, like always, you know, they talk about you say something great, be something great, and then see what they say about your mind. So with Jesus, Jason Brashears thinks that it was a Greek stage play, that it was spiritual art. It was basically a physical representation of a spiritual story. I don't know what to believe at this point because there's so many differing opinions, theories.
Jeff:
[2:25:24] But what I do know is that when I see people living the Christian way and doing it the way, not the way of show, but really truly living it, they're the nicest, kindest, most peaceful people I've ever met. And I see that in recovery. Carl Jung was instrumental in the development of the 12-step program because what they found was that if you don't change spiritually, you will never change.
Jeff:
[2:25:52] And that we are who we are. We can only either adjust a little bit, but we can develop the sphere. In my study of languages, when I look at the soul and I study the solar plexus, you break it down, soul, lar, plexus. What is a plexus? It's a home. They talk about that our soul isn't from here, that our physical body is, but our soul isn't. And so when we get into the solar system, that just means to me a developmental system. Because when we first develop a soul, we're not ready. We have to be developed. And then when you talk about what is the foci or the point of focus for our sun, it's called soul or solaris. I'm like, you can't make this stuff up. It's all connected. All connected through language too.
Tyler:
[2:26:47] Yeah language is really tricky because you never know you never know what's a coincidence like a just a homophone you
Jeff:
[2:26:57] Know it's an accident.
Tyler:
[2:26:57] Versus what's like uh something that has a a shared root that's been passed down over time and there's a gazillion words like that soul being one of them you know um and there's a lot of um symbolic uh you know architecture like the the actual physical representation of letters whatever that interface with that point of view as well where it's like okay um the first time that you notice that uh ami or ama and amigo and amelia and like amelia and like all of the oh my gosh it's because they all go back to
Tyler:
[2:27:43] Friend in latin that's why that's it that's the end of the story pretty much but then yeah then there are these words that are like mom you know um like some version of a you know making an o sound and putting your lips together and taking them apart whether that's mom mama um whatever something like that universal throughout all language and it's just because like why it's like because it's the first sound that all you have to do to make that sound is make a noise and move your mouth, right? And so all babies can do that. And that's why that word exists. But then you wonder about things like, okay, why are all of these different things that are seemingly unconnected, why do they all share this linguistic root?
Jeff:
[2:28:28] Oh, absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:28:29] Right, and what idea, what is the through-line idea behind this that you're trying to describe? I understand what you mean.
Jeff:
[2:28:37] One, and I heard in your previous interviews that connection, like how how did we learn how to decode samarian and so you know i found this little article on uh anton parks because i really do i think anton parks is the best in the world now he is french so he doesn't have a lot of stuff in english and it took a lot of time to be able for me to find and translate this stuff but um anton parks had a translator his name was gary zeitline, Gary Zeiland was connected with NASA. He was connected, you know, unfortunately I found two intelligence, but he was, he's just phenomenal, really sharp guy. Um, he ended up dying shortly after he got connected with Anton Parks. Uh, Anton, he learned that the codification of languages was associated with the existences or the existence of casts within society. He had experienced certain visions about this reptilian race he calls the geno abu.
Jeff:
[2:29:48] It's the Sumerian word for lizards. So by the end of the 1990s, Parks understood that the phonetic values of the geno abu were to be found in the Sumerian and Akkadian syllabaries. Parks found that there's actually a single Samaro, Acero, Babylonian syllabary on which all words or all principal words are based. And you can find these in the ancient languages of Arabic, Chinese, the Dogon, Egyptian, ancient Greek, Hebrew, Hindi, Hopi, Japanese, Latin, Germanic, and many more languages. He took the name Adam which he believes which was supposed to come from the Hebrew term Adama or Claude of Earth so Parks which.
Tyler:
[2:30:47] Also means mankind right?
Jeff:
[2:30:49] Yeah and that's what he was unaware that the author had considered the Adam which means beasts animals, flocks, or levy an establishment, installation or colonization all subsumed under influence. Again, my background is not in language. I was really interested in history. I was really interested in Saipur. But I found it necessary that I better learn etymology. And it really, if you look into Michael Tesarian, he breaks down a lot of different, the etymology of words.
Jeff:
[2:31:32] Chief Iron Bush, this guy is phenomenal.
Jeff:
[2:31:37] You know, I wanted to throw out names so that anybody can listen to what I say and they can go back and they can cross-reference the information because I try to be a moralist and I try to be honest as far as I know. And so what I did find was that there was this seeding of information and that the seeding of information from this, I would say, spiritual plane, potentially, or a less dense plane would seed information in here through ones and zeros, which we would know as binary code, through ACs and through ACTG, which is going to be our genetic code. And I think there's 3.3 different billion pairs of ACTG. So our genomes were also seeded potentially through this, from the physical or from the spiritual plane to the physical. And so... I'm sure you're familiar with the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident at RAF Bentwaters Air Force Base.
Tyler:
[2:32:55] Okay. I'm just going to spout something off and you tell me.
Jeff:
[2:32:59] Yeah, no, absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:33:00] So there's like two guys, I think it's a sergeant and an officer or an airman, are like on patrol and they find a UFO in the woods. They try to approach it.
Tyler:
[2:33:11] Okay. Same. Okay. Yeah. They're American airmen.
Jeff:
[2:33:15] Yep, absolutely. And you know what? I found so much disinformation, planted information, psyops that were coming from what I call pharaohs, Pharisees, psyops, and propaganda coming from our rulers or the GG, which is all misinformation. But what I did find were four specific incidences in our recent history that, But again, there's too much evidence for me to believe anything in the contrary. This incident happened in 1980 on Christmas Eve, the night of Christmas Eve. The guy was a very brand new military police. His name was Jim Penniston. He's a Boy Scout. And I listened to his family speak. They said, my dad doesn't lie. The guy doesn't lie. And I know that because, you know, I'm that type of person. There was a time where I told fibs, but in my life today, I'm only sober and here today because of how honest and authentic I am. In 1980, this incident happened. Jim Penniston walked over to the craft. When he claims to have touched the craft, he said that lights came on.
Tyler:
[2:34:34] And he saw these symbols, right?
Jeff:
[2:34:36] Spot on. Yeah.
Tyler:
[2:34:37] Like these hieroglyphic looking symbols all over it.
Jeff:
[2:34:40] Absolutely. Yeah. And when he started studying, they were Sumerian. Yeah. And he, that was the closest Sumerian Egyptian. That was the closest context that he could have. Anyways, Penison... He didn't remember a lot from the incident because, you know, how the Air Force, they diluted it by giving him all kinds of drugs. By the end of it, he was going to hypnotherapists and he couldn't remember anything. And he started having these terrible dreams and they didn't stop. And so what he did was one night he woke up and he started writing down the binary code that was coming in. He didn't know what binary code was. He wrote down ones and zeros, ones and zeros. And later he took it to Lyndon Moulton Howe. And Lynda says, hey, you know, I know a guy that does binary code in the military. Let's see what this means. Anyways, he took it back and he said that, you know, basically it was exploration of humanity for planetary advance, blah, blah, blah. That there was a threat from Orion directly and another threat from Zeta Reticula, if I remember.
Jeff:
[2:36:01] Anyways, the biggest thing was these specific points of latitude and longitude. And those points were like Lake Titicaca. One was basically the Bermuda Triangle, if I remember right. Sedona, Arizona was another. Stonehenge or 8th Berry was another. There was one in Germany where the Nuremberg trials were, there was another one in China where they found all the pyramids I think there was another one in Pine Gap Australia, and the most important one was right on the map where High Brazil would be which is a mythical island of the Celtic Irish, of the Fomorians believe it or not right off the coast of Ireland, And, uh, when you get into the work of Helena, well, that's the, you know, that the second root race, according to her, was the hyperboreans. He said there was high.
Tyler:
[2:37:00] The giants from the North hyperborean, like, like beyond North.
Jeff:
[2:37:09] Well, that's what, that's what I thought too. But he was, Pendleton, when he was recounting his dreams, he said that he put Hyde Brazil and Hyperborea together, that it was a large island, but that Hyde Brazil was just the remnant. It was like an energetic signature that sailors would see every seven years because it had been lost to basically the sands of time. Him and he was dead set that it was that it was high brazil and these were the hyperborean people and so a lot of uh the media wouldn't even like from what i found once he started talking about they wouldn't touch him with the 10-foot pole but he claims they're coming from 45 000 years in the future and then 52 000 years in the future which is interesting because if you look at the Dan Burrish research, he claims that he was in contact with the P42s and the P52s, you know, which would basically be traveling back. That's 42,000 light years beyond, or is how long it would take to travel there. So there is a direct connection. But what he found in his dreams were this connection with English, Enochian.
Jeff:
[2:38:36] The Sumerian language, and definitely with the hieroglyphics. And so he didn't know, and so we're still just piecing this thing together. But these are really interesting references to later bring back, because when I started studying In the Pleiades and Orion specifically, it was the Messier 45 and the Messier 52 cloud nebulas. And the natives believe that when you left this physical world, that you would cross through this cloud nebula. And I believe it was Messier 52. And then you would be basically that was where the judgment would happen,
Jeff:
[2:39:27] So that's why I always go back to especially this connection with John D. And Edward Kelly when they started channeling these Enochian entities.
Jeff:
[2:39:42] And it reminded them of the circuit two-tongue language and how it was directly connected to the Indo-European languages. And again this is beyond my pay grade but i want to at least send people in the right direction to start researching these things and i bet we can really when when you have more than yourself researching and when you work as a team it's like this exponential power we can get so much more done that's why i hate right now it seems like the researchers are fighting amongst themselves we're right you're wrong you're pseudoscience you're not you're this you're that and i just want to say hey this is just all the music it's it's the music and it's how we interpolate the music that makes us unique and so i thought it was interesting because you you talked in your previous episodes denmark and the tribe of dan and this connection to darren kuyu and to uh Cappadocia and to Turkey and to the Aryans and how this is basically playing into the world today and I'm still, I don't know how this stuff comes together but when you were living in Denmark, did you see any of the, I guess, um, Aryan influence or any of these connections?
Tyler:
[2:41:11] Um, it's a really modern country for the most part, especially where I lived. Cause I lived in a place called Albor, which is a pretty modern city. Um, if you go to somewhere like, I don't know, Aarhus or, you know, some of the kind of more ancient cities there. Um, even Copenhagen is a super, super modern city. It's been, obviously Copenhagen has been a place for a long time, but it's, you know, like as as modern as a city could possibly be and it's damn near cyberpunk almost and just like this kind of dreary rainy wonderland in the north um but i don't know there it there are certain places where you go and you see like witch's circles or like stone circles and things like that where it's just like kind of built into the city's architecture almost you see that sort of thing um but there's nothing like really overt you could go see like ancient viking burial grounds and stuff like that uh largely uh i'd say like most people are not really spiritual um kind of kind of shy nervous oh absolutely yeah i i don't know it's like i don't want to say it in like a negative way it's just like really peaceful and absent like there's just not a lot going on No,
Jeff:
[2:42:29] Absolutely. I know exactly. I mean, Tim Kelly, really, I guess what I wanted to stress about his work, and him and Jason Brashears are the only ones that are talking about this. But if we go back to the Egyptian city of Heliot-Borch, which later becomes Memphis and Awn, the city of Awn-Nu.
Tyler:
[2:42:54] Sure. Dan, Odan.
Jeff:
[2:42:57] Absolutely. Absolutely. And so, when we look at this whole thing, everybody talks about the new world order.
Jeff:
[2:43:05] From what I found and from what Jen found separately and from what Jason found separately, that the new world order could go back to the new world order. So A-N-U world order, which happened 6,000 years ago with, I guess, I think the person at the movement was Akhenaten. And that we can kind of trace this evil back to that time period and essentially the destruction of humanity and the creation of a new humanity. That the dragon race worked with the, from what I understand, the Aryan race. After a great reset to recolonize the entire world and to do it without one's knowing. So, you know, there's the book from Fritz Springmeier, which is how to create a perfect mind-control slave without one knowing. So they basically created slavery through thievery, through tides, and through taxes. And that's what Tim talks about is the three big T's and that, um.
Jeff:
[2:44:32] Essentially the, any knowledge of who we were previously has been forgotten, occulted, and you could be killed for even talking about it. And so what I thought was really, really important today and what is kind of the thesis of my work is how cyclical cataclysm plays into our world today and how it is tied into this binary windsor, which causes initially, it causes pandemonium. It can cause weather changes. It can cause temperatures to spike. It can cause an increase in temperatures emotionally and physically. You can see threats of war and talks about war. That during these time periods, there's this great adjustment that we begin to remember. And we come out of our own personal dark ages. And we remember who and what we are. And we start taking our power back. Gradually, and that is the apocalypse, this revealing from the veil what has been hidden, and that it is cyclical.
Jeff:
[2:45:45] And for me, I really want to stress the connection to this dark star. And to the leaders of the world, more specifically the Jesuits, the Zionists, and the Fourth Reich, which this Nazi group that seems to not only have survived World War II, but has been basically in an incubator waiting for this time of reset, waiting for its time to pounce on its victims. And I really do. I'm seeing the breakdown in all of our systems. I don't know how many people that I've talked to that are working and still can't pay their bills. And when they call to get help, they're put to an automatic machine. And there's no human. One thing since 2020, we've lost our census community without even knowing it. That we're all disconnected houseplants now. That we used to be a big forest. With these networks that are now being gradually disconnected and that we are truly the technology, that we are an organic technology that has not only been designed but created.
Jeff:
[2:47:02] Planted here for a reason, and that we are a fractal of the Godhead experiencing itself here and that there has been, and again, I don't know if the nefarious force is, I know that in Worlds in Collision, that they talk about this force being Venus, that Venus is Lucifer, that Venus comes here, the Morning Star, the Morning Star, and I connect Jesus to the Morning Star.
Jeff:
[2:47:32] If you look at the work of a lot of good researchers like Mark Amaro, they talk about this advanced Venusian culture that is definitely directly connected to serpents, definitely connected to yoga, to Gnosticism, and in the Billy Meyer material. Now, this is another big part of my argument, because Billy Meyer is another person that I have found that his story through and through adds up. And Billy Meyer talks about that when he was visited by Simjaza, he was given a tour of the solar system, but that Mars and Venus were off limits. They said that there is life on Venus, but it's not like life here. It's not natural, not organic. So that connects me back to all these researchers in this black goo. Now, this sounds far out there, but there was a war that was fought on the Falcon Islands, and you can find tons of information on it.
Tyler:
[2:48:37] There were a lot of Nepali soldiers involved in this, too, for some reason.
Jeff:
[2:48:42] Yeah, no.
Tyler:
[2:48:44] It's very weird. Like, one of the weirdest kind of covert war stories of all time, because it doesn't really get talked about except in, like, sort of conspiracy theory kind of circumstance.
Jeff:
[2:48:56] No, you're spot on, Tyler. You're leading me right to where I want to go because there is a direct connection between the areas of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and this Aryan connection that I haven't been able to figure out.
Jeff:
[2:49:14] And I've been, you know, Jason Brashears talks about it, that Apollo and the Hurrian Aryan Empire began to work for the dragon. And I'm like, if you don't know any of this stuff, who's the dragon? I know Michael slays the dragon in the cosmic war, at least according to scripture. So what I found the dragon to be was these reptilian, they're called homosaurians, believe it or not. And they were here before we were, at least according to what I found. And when humans arrived from the Pleiades, they forced this group into the pockets, into the cage system, into the inner earth, where they basically adapted really well. And they kind of went dormant, similar to the way the Nazis did. And in their dormancy, the life on earth, some of the people were able to connect with this group in Tibet, in modern day China. In modern-day Ukraine, and they made connections with this group, and there's proof.
Jeff:
[2:50:25] And Harold Kutzwelle, German researcher, he says that this group merged with the reptilians because that was the only way that they could merge with tech later on. That humans, that the secret of the Al is that these humans at some point in our history, they merged with tech and their bodies stopped degrading and their spirits or souls were placed in these bodies and they lived forever and they were able to garner an incredible wealth, power and dominance over this plane of existence and that they did it by merging with this reptilian group that lives in the caves. And this all comes... Now, this is really, I would say, the backbone of my research because...
Tyler:
[2:51:24] Is there any fossil evidence of this homosaurian?
Jeff:
[2:51:29] Absolutely.
Tyler:
[2:51:30] Okay. I want to dive into that. I want to take a quick break because we've been talking... Like it feels like not that long, but we've been talking for a long time.
Tyler:
[2:51:39] So yeah, let's take a little break here and then we'll jump in down that afterwards.
Jeff:
[2:51:44] Thanks Tyler. I appreciate it. You buddy.
Tyler:
[2:51:46] Cool.
Jeff:
[2:51:46] You know, when we start, we, When we start looking for evidence, whether that be extraterrestrial, when we start looking for evidence of this reptilian influence in our daily affairs, when we start looking for anything regarding metamaterials, Linda Moulton Howe, there's not going to be a lot found. And that's because most of this material has been taken to private museums, ran and owned by the controllers of the world, which I believe are the Zionists.
Jeff:
[2:52:23] The 13 bloodlines of Europe, and the SAA. I think that this Fourth Reich is set up right in line with all these groups. And I think that most of the material that we would look for as evidence has been occulted. But an interesting reference goes back to Camille Sube. She shared her research on the My Family Thinks I'm Crazy podcast with Mark Steves. And she found directly in Peru a connection to the bones of essentially the skeletal remains that she was given to her came from grave robbers. And I know grave robbers are not going to be the most trustworthy people, but right now this is all we got. And it goes, points directly at the NASCA lines in Peru.
Jeff:
[2:53:27] And the genetic evidence points directly at a reptoid mixed with some sort of humanoid and a bonobo. And also there was unknown DNA that was not recognized. And I really...
Jeff:
[2:53:51] Again, Tyler, I wish I had more evidence to point you in this direction, but if we look at the mythology that we've been given, we can see that the reptile is an integral part of our mythology, and it is a crucial part in understanding our history. And so jumping to that, Pierre Sabac has studied language extensively, and what he did find as evidence was what he calls the artifact. And in the artifact is a toad that seems to point directly to Orion and to Sirius as being a big part of either the recreation of our world and the reseeding of what we know as life, or they are the ones that gave us the ability to think cognitively and the evolution of the prefrontal cortex. But in the research of Anton Parks, there is a direct connection to Sumer, to the areas of Sri Lanka and Egypt, and to this reptile worship. So I just kind of want to see where you want to take it from this.
Tyler:
[2:55:09] I'm actually curious because of a lot of what you just brought up especially orion you said you'd listen to my recent talk with uh dr bruce solheim absolutely what did you think of his story and of uh anzar himself 100%
Jeff:
[2:55:29] Credible 100% credible i mean i i found bruce is a person, I'm sure he has told lies, but he does not seem like a liar. And I think he is being 100% authentic and truthful. I think the only points I would have to worry about is, it does seem like we have the technology to seed ideas and thoughts into the mind. I think they We call it the mind of God technology.
Jeff:
[2:56:05] So I would be a little concerned potentially, but I'm not really with Bruce because there's just so much evidence to the contrary that like we have talked about, these other worlds seem to seed information in, Whether that be through near-death experiences, whether that be through the use of psychedelics, whether that be through the use of meditation, whether that be through the use of autists that seem to be on the spectrum, that seem to be picking up some sort of signal that others are not picking up on. I think that all of the prophets throughout the Bible had information that was ceded to them through the higher worlds. I know in my own experience, Tyler, I continually would seek out connection to these worlds. And I would always ask for this benevolent relationship.
Jeff:
[2:57:01] Again, I've always just been a kind, gentle, loving person. That's who I am at my core. That's who I'll always be. And so it seems like very gentle, kind, loving beings have been seeding information to me. And the message to me was, first, get with Tim Kelly, because this is going to be your mentor. And I know this sounds far-fetched, but that's just how I felt. And so that, I mean, I crossed that off the list. And then the secondly was connecting specifically with you, Tyler, to get some of these ideas out there.
Tyler:
[2:57:42] Um one one of the things about the whole i guess adventure that you're on is that you were you're deliberately trying to get a lot of people a lot of thinkers together and so sort of this think tank of yours this i don't know what you're calling it is it psychics angelic symphony um yeah but you're so it's you got yourself you got tim um you also you've mentioned a lot of these people but nathaniel gillis it's really weird serendipity speaking you know that barry fitzgerald like in the podcast that i had with him mentioned specifically he's like you need to get in touch with nathaniel gillis like and he's kind of in the area so to speak on the east coast i think or somewhere in appalachia um and then i i actually did email nathaniel gillis or like went through his website i think and sent you know the message through there to invite him onto the show didn't hear anything back and then uh that was like one of the first things that you brought up when you were kind of explaining your whole idea to me and our email chain was like you know you listed off all these people like holy shit like this guy knows that that same dude maybe that's the you know through line to get to that point and then there was also uh just you know robert morning sky getting brought up a lot of this a lot of these things are like we it's it's so strange how you connect with someone else you know like well absolutely yeah yeah
Jeff:
[2:59:09] And you know what i again like the coincide it's you know it's just where these words and uh these phrases even so you know i guess uh you know phoenix let's take the city of phoenix is where it's from you know it's on the 33rd degree parallel the name phoenix when you start researching guys like jason breshears he basically points directly at this being the biggest cover-up in the conspiracy community is the knowledge regarding this phoenix weapon and a weapon because whoever created us and this is jason's belief not mine that after we were created, that we were deemed so dangerous and so potentially disruptive that this was the only way that they could keep humanity, I guess, from ascending to the same level as their creators.
Jeff:
[3:00:14] And so, you know, what I found was this codification of language, this classification.
Jeff:
[3:00:24] Whenever they say, oh, Linda Moulton, how the material is classified, that's not classified per se in the way you think. Nowadays, I'm finding out that the class is for these very strict caste systems. And NASA, the word NASA, I know everybody translates it to deceive, or in Babylonian, it's to ascend.
Jeff:
[3:00:49] But really, from what I understood it to be was it is the high class. And the high class has always been able to have spaceflight or interdimensional technologies per se. But the lower class will never be given any of those technologies until we fight for it and we earn it back. And the message of Albert Pike, he basically says that 1% of the world rule because we allow that if we take our power back and if we come together, then nothing can stop us. And I've taken that message and ran with it. Tyler, I don't know how your financial situation is, but I know that Nikola Tesla died in his apartment with nothing. And when he died, the John Trumps of the world and MIT scientists were pouncing on him like black vultures in the freaking heat. And so I think this is my personal opinion. The best technology that the world has ever seen was last saw by the eyes of John Trump when he went into Tesla's apartment upon his death.
Jeff:
[3:02:02] When I see guys like Tim Kelly, I mean, everybody in the world, in my opinion, should have his book, Self-Empowerment and Healing.
Jeff:
[3:02:12] Because, again, you know, my daughter had meningitis. She was, you know, it was Tim's protocols that I went to when I was really sick. Tim's, again, his theories, I would think that every family should have that in case of emergency. But more than that, Tyler, what I found is, guys, the best researchers are usually broke. They have no friends. They have no followers. Not all of them.
Jeff:
[3:02:40] But they have a hard time understanding the model of capitalization. They are very much givers. They are very much people that want nothing. They don't want anything. Anton Parks just wants to be left alone. He's a shy French guy. He doesn't want any of this. Pierre Chabac is the same one. But they found it necessary for the survival of the human species, for your children and my children, that if we do not address these glaring levels of malevolence that have been around since Schumer, that our world will continue to be shattered. And the hopes and dreams of the best mind and the best thinkers will be put in the cellar. And so what I wanted to do was with my platform, I wanted to take all the money that I received, but not all of that. I was going to split it 50-50 and give it to the researchers.
Jeff:
[3:03:36] And then we'll take what we need. I don't need to be rich. I wanted them to be rewarded for their work. And guys like Graham Hancock, I know he steals people's work. I do. you know it's it's it's out steven greer what they do is they go around they find little guys like you and me they take their information and they never share where they bother say oh i got this and so that ego is really what keeps us from the spirit or of of being in the loving spirit of what i would call consciousness and uh i would like to advocate for guys like you know you and I and guys like Pierre Saboc and Anton Parks and Jason Breshears
Jeff:
[3:04:16] and Greg Carlwood and many more. I want to advocate for these guys. And I would hope to see that we can someday come together. We can create something better than Google. We can create something better than YouTube. Because when you search information, you know they're hiding it. Because like you said 10 posts a link and then three months it's gone so when i get i'll have to check bit shoot i've got to check rumble even for the robert morning style material you can't find luckily i have all this stuff and it's been saved in these secret files on youtube but i would imagine in in if, If after some sort of great reset, all of our work could be forgot.
Tyler:
[3:05:06] That's why I'm saying like somebody like Tim, whose book's only available in PDF, like you need to carve in copies of that shit and you need to send it out to different places. That's the whole point of reproducing things is so that they last the test of time.
Jeff:
[3:05:22] Yeah, no, absolutely.
Tyler:
[3:05:24] Find new ways to spread the, whatever information it is that he wants to spread out. and I'm for me, mostly interested in like the history stuff like that. Yeah. Fascinating. I could go down rabbit holes forever about just like all the different potential takes on all that stuff, but it is nonetheless really, really fascinating and entertaining even like it's, it's fun to discuss.
Jeff:
[3:05:44] Yeah. No, absolutely. No. Um, as far as like right now, you know, I guess they're, they're talking about David Grush and, and you know, I would say the UAPs are in the news, but when you've studied this over a course like Carla Turner and guys like Wendell Stevens and the early comers like Billy Meyer, it seems like we're trying to pull the wool out from underneath the new researchers that don't know how to look across time space.
Tyler:
[3:06:17] Most of the young people who are looking into this stuff are not um traditionally initiated you know what i'm saying absolutely so like you have a lot of people out there who have a lot of access to a lot of knowledge and a lot of like conjecture you know a lot of people who are like making content making videos you know like educating teaching on subjects oh absolutely and they're not part of any sort of like actual institution so to speak such that they've like acquired all of this and that i think that's very frustrating for a lot of people but it's also problematic in that they don't necessarily know what they're getting themselves into in a lot of cases they're they're here's a here's a fun one for you this is your this would be your homework between now and the next time we talk get a hold of this book The Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts it's by Alan Greenfield And just read that and tell me what you think of it.
Jeff:
[3:07:21] I really like Alan Greenfield. I like his work.
Tyler:
[3:07:24] Have you read that book?
Jeff:
[3:07:25] I haven't read the book.
Tyler:
[3:07:26] Yeah, you need to, yeah, definitely just grab a copy and a coffee. Tell me what you think of that thing because it's so fascinating.
Tyler:
[3:07:36] You were talking earlier about like the encodification of languages, even across languages and everything, and that's exactly what it's about. It's um for so long uh things you know names of things that are channeled um oftentimes fit into this and he he points out like there's this page in the alistair crowley's the book of the law i think it's like the 93rd page or something i don't know so i type it in the show notes if you remember but there's a line just arbitrarily looking drawn across the page and it is like a code that it took them still another like 50 years to actually decode but it's a cipher right and then once you understand that basically the the practice that's brought up and this is just part of it one of the practices that he experiments with this is like okay if i take a name or information given to me by a channeled entity like anzar the progenitor or like whatever you know and filter it through this cipher the numerical value only occurs so many times inside of the book of the law
Tyler:
[3:08:46] Right which was itself a channeled book you know this is probably channeling something that he's talking to lamb or whatever chorus i don't know uh point being but um once you once you understand that cipher you can really like start to draw lines between a lot of these cases And a big one is like Indrid Cold from the Mothman case, right?
Tyler:
[3:09:10] This very famous strange name, you know, like why? And then you put it through there and it like gives you all this sort of like insight. But it's very confusing. Like you need to really kind of like take your time with it to understand it. But that is something I would really like your perspective on.
Jeff:
[3:09:26] Yeah, no, absolutely. I would love to do that for you. And, you know, Tyler, I really wanted that. Have you investigated anything to do with the 1996 crash in Virginia, Brazil?
Tyler:
[3:09:40] I just had a Brazilian person at my house recently.
Jeff:
[3:09:44] Oh, wow.
Tyler:
[3:09:46] Yeah. So she was dating my friend who had driven out to visit for the 4th of July. We did a barbecue and all that stuff. And we were asking her about it and she says it's complete nonsense she's like oh she it's nonsense
Jeff:
[3:09:59] Gosh well you know and.
Tyler:
[3:10:01] Every person that i've ever talked to who was brazilian it's like yeah no one no one believes that shit the same thing we hear these murders about like oh mexico cities constantly sees ufos and anyone who actually lives in mexico is like that's bullshit like
Jeff:
[3:10:15] That's yeah well you know what and that thing sometimes though it's really tough to ask people from certain areas because like even yesterday i was at a chinese restaurant and i'm like oh my gosh what about the pyramids in china and she
Jeff:
[3:10:30] was like there is no pyramids in china or.
Tyler:
[3:10:32] The bosnian pyramid
Jeff:
[3:10:33] Absolutely no it's.
Tyler:
[3:10:35] Complete total horseshit it's not a pyramid
Jeff:
[3:10:37] Yeah well and you know that's what so you know it's really difficult because there's been so many earth changes right You know, when we start talking these levels of time, even like Sitchin 432,000 years ago, you know, these are really, really difficult to conceive of.
Tyler:
[3:10:57] But the legend of the Bosnian pyramid was like a deliberate hoax. Like it was an American man who had like citizenship there who started this as a tourist attraction. Like that's good.
Jeff:
[3:11:09] Yeah. Well, and you know what? In this field, you find out there are so many gimmicks. There are so many. I would say planted stories that it's really difficult to navigate that's.
Tyler:
[3:11:22] Why you gotta be careful you start to believe everything that you hear and you end up sounding like Billy Carson
Jeff:
[3:11:27] Yeah I go back to the source I watched a documentary though with James Fox and it was Moment of Contact and he goes so in at least this is his story and this guy that was there in 1996 he was driving home late at night boom something similar to the way robert morning's guy describes a falling star something crashes he makes the decision to follow the crash um he essentially he.
Jeff:
[3:12:05] Watches everything. He watches everything unfold. He watches the military pull up. And in a matter of several days, they closed off every entrance. They closed off every area so that nobody would know about that situation. And again, there's just too much evidence, at least from this point, from this perspective.
Jeff:
[3:12:29] There was two Brazilian Air Force guards that had claimed that they, upon arrival, there was one entity, and they claimed that it smelled like terrible sulfur. And it was just the most god-awful smell. And anyways, one of the airmen pick up this beam. He carries them to the hospital, and they know where the hospital's at. They've actually investigated the doctor that worked on him, and he did confirm. and the other airman would never speak the rest of his life. He wouldn't speak. And so anyways, his story was the guy that carried him died right there in the Virginia Regional Hospital and that the being, they tried to work on him. The doctor would never comment on the story, but when the doctor died, he wrote a book and he claimed that during that situation, he did not want to divulge anything because he didn't want to lose his career. He didn't want to talk about it he didn't want to be labeled as a conspiracy theorist but he said the being made direct eye contact with him and he said I feel so heart sorry for you humans for you have no idea who and what you truly are and you have no idea what your potential really is and I always go back to that this has.
Tyler:
[3:13:53] Been the theme of our whole conversation
Jeff:
[3:13:54] Absolutely that falls apart think about like.
Tyler:
[3:13:59] How much conjecture and the lore of the paranormal, occult, UFO, ancient, astronaut, everything, you know, all of that stuff hinges on something like Admiral Byrd's diary, which is 100% not real.
Jeff:
[3:14:19] That one's proven.
Tyler:
[3:14:20] And yet there's so like once that fell into the zeitgeist right like that story even though it's been debunked afterwards right is it already had a life of its own and like there are other things that stem from details you know oh absolutely that people believe and follow and like and are seriously considering and some of those are might be like happy accidents like oh there really is up there but the majority of this stuff is oh yeah it has to be thrown out and
Jeff:
[3:14:48] You know yeah go there was only a few anomalies that i found and it was the 1994 aerial school phenomenon i don't know if you've seen that one but the one in rua zimbabwe.
Tyler:
[3:15:01] The kids draw the same figures and everything absolutely well they actually did a uh there's an x-files episode where they like do a kind of version of this but it's in america oh nice yeah Well,
Jeff:
[3:15:17] And so the story gets interesting now because those kids started dying later on.
Jeff:
[3:15:23] Each one of them. There was another one that died recently. But the thing I wanted to point out about this, and this is why I think the phenomenon is directly connected to the underworld.
Jeff:
[3:15:36] Because there's a guy named Archivist, and he goes by analog, Bin Bin, but he basically went through all these newspaper clippings, and he started to find anomalies again. And he found one in Africa in that same area where there was a incident at a lake. And I think the town was Ariel. The name was Ariel. And there was two boys that showed up to the lake. One jumps in, goes swimming. The little boy watches him swim. And then all of a sudden, the boy reports that there's this black mermaid, a mermaid. And he was very specific about the description.
Jeff:
[3:16:19] And that this Merman was pulling the boy under violently and teasing him, toying with him for a good time. The boy ran back to his mom and dad and he says, you got to help. He said, our friend's in trouble. He's dying. He's drowned. He's in the lake. And the parents come back and the boy's laying on the shoreline completely unharmed. And so as they began walking up to the boy, this entity, whatever it is, again we can only speculate pulls him back in and drags him to his death when he dies and that's right there in that same area and it was known as Ariel and you connect that back to the little mermaid if you go back to the original name for Jerusalem it was Uris Salem or Ariel Salem, yeah Salam and so you know, the Salem witch trials when we get back over there it.
Tyler:
[3:17:18] Just me it means peace
Jeff:
[3:17:20] Okay so.
Tyler:
[3:17:21] Like shalom is peace um the arabic equivalent is salam okay there's also like there's some conjecture i don't really know how serious it is but like there was at some point a god called some version of that word in that area and that's why the city is named that but yeah it's it's not like uh It's not like a Hebrew word in and of itself, so to speak.
Jeff:
[3:17:48] I guess just to kind of summarize everything, again, I'm trying to stay away from forming any sort of concrete beliefs, but I do think that the picture is becoming increasingly more clear as we approach this return of this dark star,
Jeff:
[3:18:09] that we're remembering this process of forgetting. And I do think that guys like Pierre Sabat, when you get into the Nephi and Nephilim, and that's the etymology's word connection to Orion and then to the Seraphim and their connection back to Sirius. And then in just about every culture worldwide talks about us coming over from the Pleiades in this dream time to enter this great Maya, this great maze of illusion.
Jeff:
[3:18:44] And we come here and we try to navigate through this the best that we can. But uh i really like jason which is because he says the way that dates are set up that the earth was almost completely destroyed in 2239 bc and then at 1687 bc was the ogaijian deluge and the world was destroyed unlike we had ever seen before there was another great restart and then that these cyclical cataclysms happen all the time and this is a big i would say part that the ufo phenomenon might be forgetting because charles ford again and i don't think we were recording on this but his final thesis after researching day in and day out for the entirety of his life He says, you know, he thinks earth was no means like that people came and explored and they fought over the right for the possession of us and earth. And, you know, I just don't underestimate this connection between our polar areas of our planet and this probably potential, I would say.
Jeff:
[3:20:00] Inner realm that does affect what happens on the surface. And that these, I would say, influences act like gatekeepers or as culture bearers to continue on the podium. And so Billy Meyer again that's the one that I just everybody throws it out one point that I want to make is that Billy Meyer you know was investigated by the great Wendell Stevens Wendell Stevens believed this man wouldn't tell a lie but I did find Billy Meyer connected to some dark secret societies like Knights of Malta and this is something that I want to bring up with with Daniel Gillis is that when you get into the 33rd degree of the Freemason law, from what I understand is when you graduate, you go into the Pleiadian rite. So what in the heck is the Pleiades, which is supposed to be this loving, you know, at least in the alternative community, they're kind of like, oh, these loving Pleiadians came here to give us love, light, and teach us how to live.
Jeff:
[3:21:12] But Tyler, what I want to leave the audience with is I think it might be more the latter. If anybody has seen the TV show V or the V, which is basically how these beautiful blonde haired, blue eyed advanced people come here with all these promises with, you know.
Jeff:
[3:21:31] Endless life and and basically never aging and perfect societies. And when they peel off the skin, the outer layer, they're actually essentially not human.
Jeff:
[3:21:46] And that, I guess, would be my thesis. That something about this phenomenon is so dark and so evil and so nefarious, that any of these great minds get deep enough into this research if they do not have some sort of networking or connections, or if they are not diligent about what they do, they might end up dead or their family might get hurt. And so that is one of the biggest reasons why I wanted to speak to you today. I got a beautiful group that I'm the leader of and I'm trying to protect.
Jeff:
[3:22:24] And man, I really think that we're going to figure this thing out together. And I do think that it's not going to be pretty. I think in the next few years, we're going to have threats of war. We're going to have wars. We're going to have probably issues with finding clean drinking water. My fiance and I are devoted to learning how to drill wells and dig for primary water sources. We feel like that's going to be really beneficial in the future. But...
Jeff:
[3:22:57] I do think that coming up, we are going to experience systems failures. I think we're going to see the collapse of the American dollar. I think we're going to see new religions being presented. And I do think there's going to be this revival of the Christian Reich. And like the gods of Eden, I hope that we can learn. But it sure does seem like one group is creating religions, dividing people.
Jeff:
[3:23:26] Selling wars, creating wars, going to both sides, and playing this middle force. You always think about it. Who never goes to war? Switzerland. Let's see Belgium. What's in Switzerland? We got CERN. Is CERN a time traveling machine?
Jeff:
[3:23:44] What are we doing in CERN? Why are we not involved? So I think that it is going to be absolutely crucial for us to find platforms that we can freely share information on outside of Google and YouTube. And like our past, when the name of Amazon, the reading app is Tyndale, does that just make sense? Because, you know, we've had these massive book burnings throughout history. I would imagine one's coming. And what I do fear is that they are going to say, it's a different world, release all the information, let's get the secrets. And I do worry that they are going to flip the switch. Government is going to come in and say, these are conspiracy theorists, they're psychiatric patients, and they're all crazy and they need to be locked away. And then we'll build that momentum to basically, because in history, I did find these orphan trains in these large, large silos that are parked all over North America, specifically the area of Kentucky that we were talking about and near Mammoth Cave.
Jeff:
[3:24:56] But I do think these are going to be some of the issues that we are going to face in the near future. And like Dean Henderson says, it's not the people's fault. It's the systems that have beat us down to the point we can't think.
Jeff:
[3:25:11] I believe my damage through autism could be definitely related probably through diet, probably through vaccination, probably through clean air. Maybe some of it is just part of this, you know, developing people to connect with this other realm. But it sure does look nefarious because when I get into the work of like even Donald Trump and some of our leaders worldwide, the connections to Epstein, the connections to Masonry, the connections to the Rosicrucians, the Rose Cross, the Red Cross, Aries, Mars. These are all boom, bang, and it's not a slam dunk, but they're kind of pointless in directions to say, again, let's not make the mistakes that we made in the past, and let's come together and do something different.
Tyler:
[3:26:05] Okay, man. We might have to do a part two or something, but let's wrap it up for today. Oh, nice, nice. Really cool. Good stuff. Thank you for coming on the show, too.
Jeff:
[3:26:15] Yeah, thank you, Todd.
Tyler:
[3:26:20] Man, what a show. Make sure you go and check out his podcast and his website and everything. I'm hopefully going to have the stuff in the show notes by the time this comes out. We'll see in our email chain between us. Yeah, but, you know, thank you for being an awesome listener, checking this stuff out. I'd love to hear from you. You can leave reviews on whatever your listening platform of choices, five-star reviews, hopefully, comments, saying nice things. Or whatever you like it doesn't really matter um well it does i don't know i love you god love you until next time stay in the keep
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